Police fining cyclist for breaking the law..

[apollo179]

No I am mocking your opinion.

And are you comfortable , morally and psychologically , mocking me ?

 

[Dan B]

Agreed . Most real world cyclists would be dumbfounded and looking around for jeremy beadle to pop out of the undergrowth if the police fined them for going through a red light.

I think you misunderstand me. Cycling through a red light is illegal and (in London) is policed, and it is certainly not unusual to get a fine for it. What I was referring to as stupid is the weird situation with ASLs that due to the drafting of the law that defines them, it is technically illegal to cross into the cycle reservoir across the first stop line - you have to use the cycle lane.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Agreed . Most real world cyclists would be dumbfounded and looking around for jeremy beadle to pop out of the undergrowth if the police fined them for going through a red light.

What a load of bull. You are saying the >51% of cyclists in the UK think RLJ'ing is ok.

 

[apollo179]

What a load of bull. You are saying the >51% of cyclists in the UK think RLJ'ing is ok.

I would say that more than 51% of cyclists dont even realise that there is legally anything wrong with rljing on a bike , let alone see anything wrong with it.

 

[Dan B]

The thing with the motorist in the ASL is, I won't say not clear cut, cos it is but put it this way: a motorist can't be done for being in the ASL at a red light. The copper would have to have seen him get there as IIRC there is something about it being ok to stop at the advance line if you couldn't stop at the first line.

This is correct. It's a bit like pavement parking: you can't do people for driving on the pavement if you only see them parked there, as their car might have been airlifted in or carried there by oompa-loompas

 

[Angelfishsolo]

And are you comfortable , morally and psychologically , mocking me ?

Yes. If you appeared to be an idiot I wouldn't mock you but as you seem to be inteligent I can only assume you believe cyclists are above the law. For that I mock and also pity you.

 

[2Loose]

I would say that more than 51% of cyclists dont even realise that there is legally anything wrong with rljing on a bike , let alone see anything wrong with it.

I disagree with that figure, but either way they need to be re-educated, fined or whatever until they learn that picking and choosing which laws they obey is not only dangerous but antisocial.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I would say that more than 51% of cyclists dont even realise that there is legally anything wrong with rljing on a bike , let alone see anything wrong with it.

If that is true it is no excuse.

 

[Dan B]

I would say that more than 51% of cyclists dont even realise that there is legally anything wrong with rljing on a bike , let alone see anything wrong with it.

I think you're funning with us, Mr (Ms?) Apollo.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I disagree with that figure, but either way they need to be re-educated, fined or whatever until they learn that picking and choosing which laws they obey is not only dangerous but antisocial.

As do I and I agree witi you 100%

 

[apollo179]

Yes. If you appeared to be an idiot I wouldn't mock you but as you seem to be intelligent I can only assume you believe cyclists are above the law. For that I mock and also pity you.

FTFY

 

[davefb]

I think you misunderstand me. Cycling through a red light is illegal and (in London) is policed, and it is certainly not unusual to get a fine for it. What I was referring to as stupid is the weird situation with ASLs that due to the drafting of the law that defines them, it is technically illegal to cross into the cycle reservoir across the first stop line - you have to use the cycle lane.

have you any info on that ? because i've just tried to google it and it doesnt mention anything in the hc site?

it just mentions motor vehicles must stop at the first line and 'sometimes' the asl's have feeder lanes, which since they're cycle lanes, cyclists can enter across solid lines, it's just (again)motor vehicles which cant?

 

[gaz]

Then it is poor writing as it implies that cyclists who stop at ASL will be targeted. Context is so very important in the written word.

It doesn't directly imply that cyclists stopping in asl's will get a fine but it could be written better to imply that these are not all about cycling.

The joint MetropolitanPolice Service and Transport for London Cycle Task Force is committed to tackling anti-social road use including jumping red lights, cycling on the pavement and advanced stop lines.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

It doesn't directly imply that cyclists stopping in asl's will get a fine but it could be written better to imply that these are not all about cycling.

Upon re-reading, yes you are right.

 

[gaz]

Upon re-reading, yes you are right.

The main problem is the context of the article, which is all about cycling, apart from one bit. That is poor writing.