Please don't wear helmets*!!

[classic33]

Helmet usage could be seen like this.

Sorry about the piece on the bottom of the picture.​

 

[ufkacbln]

So do we agree with the OP, it's always the drivers fault?

From the first reply..... that is not the case.



Each of the studies I quoted shows that in about 80% of cases the driver of the vehicle is "at fault"
It differs across a wide spectrum, as originally posted including factors such as age
If you look at kids and teenagers, then the figures change and the cyclist becomes the "at fault" party more often. there is an argument that this itself "skews" the figures and the driver would be at fault more often than the 80% figures if only adult accidents wee included

The thing that we can conclude is that the driver is consistently "at fault" more often than the cyclist.

 

[Mugshot]

Sorry to change subject entirely but would anyone like to discuss reductionist and strawman fallacies, and fallacies of the excluded middle?

Somebody pulled out in front of me on a roundabout this morning, I called him a farking twat, he gave me the finger. I like to think we both got to work a little happier than we would normally

 

[classic33]

I was hit by a car whose driver thought I was a bus. Does that make it unsafe to travel on buses?

Will helmet usage become obsolete when driverless cars become the majority vehicle on the roads?

 

[w00hoo_kent]

Will helmet usage become obsolete when driverless cars become the majority vehicle on the roads?

Not in the publics mind I don't think. They aren't there to protect you from accidents with cars because car drivers are all saintly angels. They are there to stop you hurting your head in those daily 'just falling off incidents' that cyclist must always have.

 

[Mugshot]

Not in the publics mind I don't think. They aren't there to protect you from accidents with cars because car drivers are all saintly angels. They are there to stop you hurting your head in those daily 'just falling off incidents' that cyclist must always have.

I get the impression that that's what a lot of cyclists think too, not so much the saintly angels bit but that the protection will be provided if/when you fall off not if/when you get run over.

 

[w00hoo_kent]

I get the impression that that's what a lot of cyclists think too, not so much the saintly angels bit but that the protection will be provided if/when you fall off not if/when you get run over.

To be fair, it's largely why I wear one when I do. Agreed, mentally (probably a bad choice of word) I figure the falling down will generally be because of car involvement but it's only there because I don't want to be dealing with chipped teeth/road rash it has nothing at all to do with protection from the big lump of metal.

 

[Mugshot]

To be fair, it's largely why I wear one when I do. Agreed, mentally (probably a bad choice of word) I figure the falling down will generally be because of car involvement but it's only there because I don't want to be dealing with chipped teeth/road rash it has nothing at all to do with protection from the big lump of metal.

Do you think you would stop if cars were driverless?

 

[david k]

It perpetuates the myth that cyclists safety is in our own hands!

Truck and car drivers will kill you and blame you. They need to know it's their behaviour that kills, not ours.

Also,


*Please note that I neither condone nor condemn helmet wearing when cycling.

No ambiguity there, it is their behaviour that kills not ours, very clear, no mention of percent or some of the time, simply them who kills not us, simply 100% no inference at all.

 

[Tin Pot]

I was hit by a car whose driver thought I was a bus. Does that make it unsafe to travel on buses?

Will helmet usage become obsolete when driverless cars become the majority vehicle on the roads?

Hmm.

The reason most people want us to wear them won't change I would guess, because driverless cars will still make mistakes.

I would say that safety equipment for cyclists retains its current value for falling off incidents and technical off-road stuff.

 

[ufkacbln]

To be fair, it's largely why I wear one when I do. Agreed, mentally (probably a bad choice of word) I figure the falling down will generally be because of car involvement but it's only there because I don't want to be dealing with chipped teeth/road rash it has nothing at all to do with protection from the big lump of metal.

British Dental Association agree about chipped teeth

They want helmets with far better facial protection

Something that only s full face model will provide

 

[Mugshot]

British Dental Association agree about chipped teeth

They want helmets with far better facial protection

Something that only s full face model will provide

In fairness to @w00hoo_kent I believe he wears a full facer.

 

[Mugshot]

Strange. You would expect them to want the work.

They get plenty from the idiots that don't wear a helmet!

 

[ufkacbln]

In fairness to @w00hoo_kent I believe he wears a full facer.

It was a general comment about the medical profession's opinion

It is up to the individual what they wear, and when

It is nobody else's business as to what the individual's decision is for a particular ride

 

[Mugshot]

Plenty? What would that be, a job every week for every dentist in the land?

At least.