Pinarello Treviso

[raleighnut]

One day, @woodbutcher will announce that he's bought some ordinary run of the mill, gas-pipe steel bike, and everyone will be truly shocked.....

I didn't think you'd fall into that trap John, only top end bikes were built with 'Gas Specification' tubing BITD (it was a mark of quality)

 

[woodbutcher]

I didn't think you'd fall into that trap John, only top end bikes were built with 'Gas Specification' tubing BITD (it was a mark of quality)[/QUOTE
The day

A bit more gas-pipe to make a decision about :

 

[Illaveago]

A bit more gas-pipe to make a decision about :
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Can we have a full picture of that one please so that we can decide ?

Thanks !

 

[woodbutcher]

Can we have a full picture of that one please so that we can decide ?

Thanks !

Yep here you go,

 

[Illaveago]

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Yep here you go,
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It's gone from one extreme to another!

 

[DCBassman]

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Yep here you go,
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That is *nice*.

 

[woodbutcher]

It's gone from one extreme to another!

Do you mean a good or bad extreme ? or just the colour

 

[woodbutcher]

Nice. C.1991ish, with a partially upgrade geartrain?

it has Front and rear derailleur Dura Ace,
crankset Campag
shifters Shim. 105
brakes D.Ace
hubs campy record
So a bit of a mixture

 

[carpenter]

I think the opposite of a "central" producer of frames was the case . Hence you get all sorts of innovation and development of steel composition. On the other hand l bet there was a fair amount of "poaching" ideas and craftsmen between the manufacturers.

It's not the innovation/development that I was referring to - I am sure that you are correct on that.
It's the styling: full chrome forks, with logo engraving
seat tube struts/stays, elongated (again with engraved logo)
rear quarter chroming, often with brake bridge painted (and part of rear derailleur hanger also painted)

I love the look - not something that I would associate with British bikes (we seemed to go for fancy lugs and lug lining which also give me great pleasure ).
Please be gentle - I have limited experience of bike styling, just my initial thoughts

 

[Mrs M]

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Yep here you go,
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Very smart

 

[woodbutcher]

It's not the innovation/development that I was referring to - I am sure that you are correct on that.
It's the styling: full chrome forks, with logo engraving
seat tube struts/stays, elongated (again with engraved logo)
rear quarter chroming, often with brake bridge painted (and part of rear derailleur hanger also painted)

I love the look - not something that I would associate with British bikes (we seemed to go for fancy lugs and lug lining which also give me great pleasure ).
Please be gentle - I have limited experience of bike styling, just my initial thoughts

I am always gentle....l used to have another life in Diss
I probably have no more accurate idea than you but l guess that just like everyone else in whatever business, you keep your eye on the market and whatever is selling well and then follow suit !

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

I didn't think you'd fall into that trap John, only top end bikes were built with 'Gas Specification' tubing BITD (it was a mark of quality)

You're right, at one time steel tube good enough to use to pipe gas around was considered to be of a high and consistent quality. I wonder when the term began to be used in a negative context? My old 3 speed is plain hi-tensile and I'd consider it the most comfortable riding frame I have, although it's probably mostly down to geometry in this case.

 

[carpenter]

I am always gentle....l used to have another life in Diss

Madgetts !

 

[raleighnut]

You're right, at one time steel tube good enough to use to pipe gas around was considered to be of a high and consistent quality. I wonder when the term began to be used in a negative context? My old 3 speed is plain hi-tensile and I'd consider it the most comfortable riding frame I have, although it's probably mostly down to geometry in this case.

3 of my Raleighs are 'Hi Ten' the other is 531c, the Carlton is 'Truwel'

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

3 of my Raleighs are 'Hi Ten' the other is 531c, the Carlton is 'Truwel'

Old Hercules catalogues also quote using "Tru-Wel 20-30" spec tubing. I would imagine that stuff and Raleigh 18-23 Hi-tensile is very similar steel, if not exactly the same but under a different name. Dawes used to call their Hi-tensile offering "supertube"