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Rob3rt

Man or Moose!
Location
Manchester
Hi again...

Maybe I haven't quite explained what I'm experiencing completely so thanks for sticking with me on this...

When I'm out doing my rides, I do definately suffer, especially going up hills and I do push as hard as I can. In January when I had more than doubled my miles and my legs constantly ached, I could have lived with that except that my legs ached but I didn't get any faster - In fact at one point I actually got slower and posted within a thread on this forum where someone else was experiencing "burning" legs all the time. I'm all for pushing myself but where I've got a bit lost is that nowadays, even when pushing myself, I just can't seem to see any performance gains. My goal is to be able to average 18mph over 35 miles not on the flat (I'm pretty certain that I could do that easily enough now) but with an average of 1,100 feet of ascent (which is pretty representative of the hilly terrain locally).

Is what you may be suggesting that I need to push myself hard and have my legs ache for a longer period of time than say one month before I'll see any additional improvement? I guess what I'm trying to do is maximise my effort (in terms of increasing my speed) rather than just putting in effort that isn't targetted correctly and therefore doesn't result in performance increases.

I suppose what I'm looking for is some sort of magic formula where someone on the forum says "ok you need to do xyz and if you do that, in x amount of weeks you'll hit 18mph average over 35 miles and riding hilly terrain" ;-)

It all seems very technical and that's even before we start talking about the bike!

As I said before, you won't get faster in the short term, you give the impression you are expecting to see your speed increase as you go, this is unlikely to happen given the fact you are building fatigue, so in fact you may end up going a bit slower and struggling a bit toward the end of the build. You will get faster once you recover from that, during the recovery period. Adaptation happens when you rest and recover.

Re. the making your legs ache for more than a month comment, no, that is not what I am saying, I am saying that you must overload yourself then recover, when you overload, you will more than likely ache! It is quite normal to train hard and progressively for maybe 3 weeks, then back it off for one week. The purpose being you build fatigue over 3 weeks, pushing your limit and probably feeling tired and rather fed up by the end of the final few days of the build, then back off the workload a bit so you can recover in the 4th week. So of you plotted the workload over a longer, you would get a sawtooth sort of pattern with an emphasis on the rising edge (say 3 weeks of progress, 1 week rest) and an overall increasing trend. The length of the overload and recovery cycles will vary person to person, this is something each person needs to figure out what is optimal for them, some people can take more overload than others, some take longer to recover, etc.

I would consider 35 miles with only 1100ft ascent as flat!
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
How steep are the hills and what gear do you use on them? How is your breathing on the hills?

I remember someone suggesting this:
  • If your legs hurt but your heart and lungs feel okay then you are overgeared and should spin a lower gear instead
  • If your legs are okay, but you are gasping for breath, try a higher gear
  • If your legs hurt, you are gasping for breath, and your heart is beating like crazy - you are at your limits!
  • If everything feels okay but you'd like to go faster - try harder!
Are you sure that your position on the bike is right?
 

Andy_G

Senior Member
Location
Staines
I used to average 14 mph until i just started pushing myself(ie change up a few gears or do sprint intervals), ive been doing this for a few months and i can averge 18-19 mph and thats me being 97kg and with a ruck sack, just keep pushing yourself and it will come.
 
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Upstream

Active Member
I used to average 14 mph until i just started pushing myself(ie change up a few gears or do sprint intervals), ive been doing this for a few months and i can averge 18-19 mph and thats me being 97kg and with a ruck sack, just keep pushing yourself and it will come.
Hi Andy,
Thanks for the encouragement - Can you tell me a little more about your activity? What sort of miles per week for example?
 
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Active Member
sod the technical stuff - are you single? ^_^

Thanks for that comment - It probably won't make me go any faster but it bought a smile to my face and reminded me that cycling is meant to be fun and not all about pain :laugh:
 

Andy_G

Senior Member
Location
Staines
I used to ride 4 miles each way 5 days a week, but now I average 100 miles a week an I've joined a club recently.
I've only been riding a year properly, and the longest ride I've done is 90 miles, honestly mate if I can do it you can.
 

Ningishzidda

Senior Member
x, Take a week off.
y, Eat moderately.
z, Watch the Giro on Eurosport.
 
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Active Member
UPDATE...
I went out on Sunday and decided to try something a little different. Usually I ride in the smaller (39 tooth) chainring for about two thirds of the time and use the larger one (52 teeth) for the other third. I reversed that ratio and tried (it was really tough sometimes though) to select a higher gear and get out of the saddle when going up hills. The particulars of the ride were; 32.4 miles, 1,323 feet of climbing, 15.9mph. I should also mention that I made myself stay in the drops for around 50% of the time (usually I am on the tops around 75% of the time).

Unfortunately sinusitis and a course of antibiotics means that I haven't been able to get on the bike since then but my goal is to do 100 miles per week every week for three weeks, with an easier week every fourth week. I'll also be double checking to ensure that I'm getting sufficient pre (and during) ride nutrition. I also have some soy protein isolate that I'll take as directed (within 20 minutes of each ride).

Thanks for the advice all - I'll update again one way or the other ;-)
 

Garz

Squat Member
Location
Down
Spent ages reading all this thread and now I am tired. Will wait for the next instalment Upstream! :thumbsup:
 

MrGrumpy

Huge Member
Location
Fly Fifer
Personally I think Strava is a pretty good tool to use in terms of interval training, I think its helped me to increase my average. My only issue is I maybe try too hard everyday to get PR on the segments, rest is the key here. BTW no expert and some will disagree with me as well, thats fine but I do read alot about interval training, sprinting etc, Strava fits the bill does it not?
 

VamP

Banned
Location
Cambs
Personally I think Strava is a pretty good tool to use in terms of interval training, I think its helped me to increase my average. My only issue is I maybe try too hard everyday to get PR on the segments, rest is the key here. BTW no expert and some will disagree with me as well, thats fine but I do read alot about interval training, sprinting etc, Strava fits the bill does it not?


If you can get series of segments of same duration, with same rest periods between them, maybe... As long as the durations match your intended training goals.

Realistically, that's not going to happen. By far the most effective intervals for increasing threshold fitness (cornerstone for cycling) are 2x20. If you can find a 20 minute segment and do that twice with a 5 minute break, you will get value out of it.
 

MrGrumpy

Huge Member
Location
Fly Fifer
toiling to find a 20 min section other than the 6.5 mile stretch on the way home, which is fairly uninterrupted. The part of my commute either side is stop start. Suppose I should do this more at the weekends on the longer runs.


edit :- just quickly posted this at work and should of read it first, was a bit of a mess!
 

Ningishzidda

Senior Member
toiling to find a 20 min section other than the 6.5 mile stretch on the way home, which is fairly uninterupted. The aprt of my commute either side is stop start. Suppose I should ride do this more at the weekends on the longer runs.
Find a 7 mile section about 20 miles from home. You have to warm up and cool down.
 
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