Paul Kimmage on Lance Armstrong

[iLB]

interview for Dutch television I think...

http://nos.nl/video/210777-lance-armstrong-gebruikte-doping.html

 

[gaz]

is it just me or does paul kimmage come across as a total arse in that piece?
The woman in the green top talks some sense, at present it's just one word against another, there isn't any proof at the moment to say who is wrong and who is right.

 

[Smokin Joe]

is it just me or does paul kimmage come across as a total arse in that piece?
The woman in the green top talks some sense, at present it's just one word against another, there isn't any proof at the moment to say who is wrong and who is right.

No, he comes across as a true hero and I am pleased to share my nation of birth with him.

Anyone who still believes Armstrong was clean probably puts 20p under the pillow for the tooth fairy too. Armstrong has been a terrible influence on the sport, not only promoting the doping culture but doing his best to hound those who spoke against it out of the sport.

It is only people like Kimmage who keeps chipping away who have begun to turn the tide.

 

[gaz]

I have no problem with people fighting against people that dope, but the way he came across in this piece, especially at the end, just make me think he was an arse.

 

[rich p]

I have to disagree Gaz. I thought Kimmage spoke the truth robustly and with no fear of Armstrong's litigousness which has caused some of the omerta up till now.

I applaud him for keeping on keeping on in the face of threats and bullying tactics.

The woman in green says much the same without the honesty. She says she hopes that Lance is a hero who cleanly beat all the other doped cyclists but.......

 

[raindog]

Can't disagree with this

Armstrong’s potential positive test is less important than the accusations that the UCI colluded in protecting a high-profile rider

 

[Aperitif]

I enjoyed that! Paul Kimmage for Prime Minister - let's get some balls back into the world. (No offence, Lancey baby).
However, whenever I hear 'that name', I always spare a thought for Beloki, and I always think of the skill level applied here. Cycling skill, and nothing to do with the other stuff. (Not trying to go OT either Andy...sorry )
[media]
]View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_8m5-sR6I4[/media]

 

[rich p]

Can't disagree with this

Armstrong’s potential positive test is less important than the accusations that the UCI colluded in protecting a high-profile rider

That is just unsubstantiated mud-slinging and I'm surprised that you can't just accept that Lance gave the UCI $100,000 with no strings attached.

 

[mickle]

So bored of this. If LA is a fraud and guilty of doping where is the evidence? Either there is or there isn't evidence. If there is evidence then do him in a court of law - if there isn't then shut the f up.

Paul Kimmage has a vested interest in stirring sh!t up because he wants to sell books. I'll believe it when/if they get a conviction, until then all this speculation achieves is yet more damage to the sport.

 

[Smokin Joe]

You need evidence to convict, and whether that comes about we'll have to see.

But you can form an opinion on the basis of probabilities, and as stated earlier I gave up believing in the Tooth Fairy long ago.

 

[rich p]

So bored of this. If LA is a fraud and guilty of doping where is the evidence? Either there is or there isn't evidence. If there is evidence then do him in a court of law - if there isn't then shut the f up.

Paul Kimmage has a vested interest in stirring sh!t up because he wants to sell books. I'll believe it when/if they get a conviction, until then all this speculation achieves is yet more damage to the sport.

What a weird post!

If you're so bored then why on earth click onto a thread about it.

Very few of the dopers, if any, end up in a law court. The usual punishment is a ban of varying length.

If some of us enjoy posting and speculating what business is it of yours? I must have missed the election which appointed you milk monitor. I slightly resent being told to shut the f*** up!

Kimmage has only written one book about cycling as far as I know and that was 20 odd years ago, so I doubt that stirring up sales is his motivation!

 

[gaz]

The woman in green says much the same without the honesty. She says she hopes that Lance is a hero who cleanly beat all the other doped cyclists but.......

.... that would make him superhuman.

 

[marzjennings]

Don't see anything heroic in what Kimmage is saying, just another journalist trying to make a name for himself by making a few waves. Did Armstrong dope, maybe, but it's a problem that exists across cycling, professional to amateur, and to point out an individual as the 'cancer' is a bogus self promoting path.

 

[addictfreak]

Why do we look for heroes in cycling (and other sports), then when we find one we build them up. Then after a few years revel in seeing them destroyed.

I am an unashamed Lance fan, Im not in a position to know whether the allegations are true or not. I hope for all of us who enjoyed watching him win, that they are not.

 

[rich p]

That's absolutely 100% wrong as far as I'm concerned. I certainly don't revel in bringing him down.

I was inspired by Armstrong when I first took up cycling, I read his book and was so impressed by his tenacity and how he came back to be so strong.

Now, I've read all the evidence including the welter of circumstantial stuff and feel that he badly let me down. Feet of clay.