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Mouki

Regular
Location
Berkshire
Hi guys!

I've been browsing the site and decided to join for some helpful advice! (I sure won't be able to give any!!) I talk a lot, so sorry in advance but I will try and make this post short..ish! :hyper: I posted a reply to the thread "My advice to newbies" based on nooby confusion too!

My background on bikes: Owned 2 bikes over 10 years ago - one was called Bluebell and had no breaks and the other was a Raleigh mountain bike, don't have a clue what model. I stopped cycling at 16/17 but then after years went to a cycle park in Kent last year and loved it and have wanted to get a bike ever since!

There are actually 3 of us looking for bikes, myself, my sister and friend and no, none of us know any cyclists! I knew 1 avid rider from work and he advised me not to cheap out! I think we have all agreed on Hybrids but my sister may need a more chill-out-mosey-along bike - which isn't heavy!

I would like: Something for Fitness and Commuting - Light trailing in the parks (not planning on going nuts over rocky areas or through stream beds or anything!) And for commuting to work eventually (when I can brave the roads!) And visiting friends (If I can ever manage 8 miles!) We have some good roads and pavement cycle paths so potholes aren't an issue. Budget - £300 - £500.
Friend is looking for: Fitness only as above. Budget - £200 max (I'm not able to budge her on this).
Sister is looking for: Complete leisure / mild fitness. Budget - £200 - £300. She's like a fragile little flower and does not want something heavy!

I've visited 2 LBS and a local Evans. The most attentive so far was the first LBS local to where I work. The young, really tall lad was helpful and listened and asked me questions. He suggested the Dawes Sport 2 Ladies 2014 @ £299 on offer. (http://dawescycles.com/product/discovery-sport-2-ladies/) I'm not going to lie, I didn't like the look of it and found it heavy but he said they can order in whatever I like and advise me on it if it's a brand they know well. The only thing I found with this one is that he explained a lot about the gear system and which brakes are best. He said I should always try and go for the disc brakes but they do add on the money. Hydraulic are the best but the V ones can wear over time more than disc brakes. He advised to try and not go below the £200 mark for a bike and I should find a decent one between £300-£400 for what I am looking for.

The 2nd LBS was OK, shop full of young, serious boys and the guy who spoke to me didn't seem too concerned about asking me questions. He offered the Merido Crossway 20 @ £400 I think. (http://www.merida-bikes.com/en_int/bikes/cross/cross/2014/crossway-20-md-413.html) I liked this one more but still found it heavy which was a downer but I was starting to expect all of them would be at this price. He said I should be looking between the £300 - £550 mark for something decent.

Lastly, after hearing so much about it, i visited a local Evans cycles - which was a bit of a let down! (Staff wise). It was really busy so my Sister and I went for a browse and I found 2 bikes I liked and which were not heavy!!

The first to be honest I loved the look of and the name just made me laugh! Cannondale Bad Boy 4 @ £550. (http://www.evanscycles.com/products...080&gclid=CKjtgqb52MUCFdLLtAodoG4A8A#features) Is this purely a mans bike?? I loved the matt finish on it and the feel but felt a bit embarrassed thinking is it mens only? (Plus, if I locked it up near my local area I think it would get stolen!!) The wheels were also a lot thinner than I thought and not sure if that would be a problem starting out on trailing?

The other I loved was the Norco VFR 2 @ £440 (http://www.evanscycles.com/products/norco/vfr-2-forma-2015-womens-hybrid-bike-ec075277) This was so light but the thing that put me off was the whole brakes conversation from the first LBS as it had V brakes and not discs! I just don't know enough about the parts and components to know if this is a good deal for my money.

The Evans staff member finally came round but didn't seem very enthusiastic (the store was very busy so maybe he was tired an hour before closing?) Answered my basic questions and advised I wouldn't find anything decent until I spent around the £500 mark! This slightly annoyed me considering they're selling cheaper bikes than £500 there but oh well, I thanked him and browsed on. My sister was totally confused but she liked the Norco as well but liked the look of the old style cream bikes with baskets but found them very heavy.

I am hoping to visit 2 other LBS' in the next couple of days to see what they offer and narrow it down (rather than confuse me!) And finally take some for spins!

I'm hoping i'm doing the right things? If anyone can advise what I should or shouldn't be doing or asking, please do tell me! I am trying very very hard not to judge a bike by the way it looks but apart from the weight, i'm nowhere near 100% of knowing what exactly I am looking for! I want to do my research properly but really want to start biking soon!

Any advice, I would be grateful! :blush:
Mouks
 

Eribiste

Careful with that axle Eugene
You're certainly doing the sensible thing of looking at plenty of bikes before you buy. Going about things like that might also guide you to a short list of desirables, which might just come up for sale on ebay, which would obviously help with the budget. Have fun looking!
 

Hacienda71

Mancunian in self imposed exile in leafy Cheshire
I think for the type of riding you are doing and the budget you have you should steer clear of bikes with suspension. At that price it is heavy, isn't needed and can actually absorb some of the power you are generating when pedaling.
I would also suggest looking at Decathlon and Halfords they both stock good value bikes. Some don't like Halfords for their technical know how, but it is down to the individual store
 
As said: You won't need suspension by the sounds of things and Decathlon and Halfords do some reasonable priced bikes which might fit your needs. For instance

Carrera Subway is a solid choice, well reviewed
Btwin Triban flat bar is another one. They do the Triban in a drop bar too and they do bikes with baskets and stuff which will fit your friends budget.

It doesn't matter if it says mens or womens, what's important is the fit and the most important element of the fit is reach not standover height.
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
The first to be honest I loved the look of and the name just made me laugh! Cannondale Bad Boy 4 @ £550. (http://www.evanscycles.com/products...080&gclid=CKjtgqb52MUCFdLLtAodoG4A8A#features) Is this purely a mans bike?? I loved the matt finish on it and the feel but felt a bit embarrassed thinking is it mens only? (Plus, if I locked it up near my local area I think it would get stolen!!) The wheels were also a lot thinner than I thought and not sure if that would be a problem starting out on trailing?
The main cycling difference between men's and women's bikes is that yer average woman's body is differently proportioned to yer average man's. Joanna Bloggs will have a shorter reach and longer legs proportionately than Joe Bloggs, who's longer in the body. Also, a women's saddle will typically be wider and more likely to have a central recess. The ''pink it and shrink it'' element is not a cycling difference so I'll leave that to others.

However, the likelihood is that you're not Joanna Bloggs, so your rule is that if it's comfortable to ride, and you're neither over-stretched nor cramped it's your size, irrespective of what preconceptions the marketing bods have imposed on their range.
 

Ganymede

Veteran
Location
Rural Kent
Hi Nooby! Welcome and hurrah for your cycling.

I agree - avoid suspension. Not really necessary for road cycling on a hybrid and really heavy. Also another thing to go wrong!

I have always ridden women's bikes and do prefer them - you can end up crocking yourself on a badly-fitted bike but this really depends on your own individual proportions and you are clearly reading up well on the issues.

Sorry you had a bad time at Evans - it's weird, some branches have great staff and others are rubbish, especially if you are female and not riding a road bike. However they do have initiatives to encourage female cycling so I am hoping this means they will encourage their staff to be more female-friendly. Same with Halfords - some branches are great and some are run by numpties.

It's really cool that you went to Cyclopark (I assume it was that one) and got hooked - I help out with a charity that supports Cyclopark and I visited there the other week - it's great!

Good luck with your test rides - this is really the only way to find out what suits you I think.

:welcome:
 

sidevalve

Über Member
Hi welcom from an old 'un. The above is all true suspension is a toy at your price range so ignore it. Halfords do have some good bikes and the Carrera range is not bad. DO NOT be afraid to try a road bike - they are not delicate flowers that will shatter on the first pebble. My Dawes and my Orbea are surprisingly tough and no I don't cosset either of them [the Dawes seems to take anything from roads to bridleways to towpaths no problem - just keep the speed down]. The Subway [I have one and it's up for sale if anybody wants it] is IMHO too heavy - almost twice the weight of the others and not much different from the cheapo Trax MTB [full suss too!] I got for playing around the fields. Disc brakes are ok but so are any modern brake [the days of sliding along for yards with wet rims are long gone] and for you're sort of riding nowhere near essential. Don't be swayed by an excess of gears either - it's the range not the sheer number that matters.
As a guide look for a weight of about 10kg ish and your £300 budget is easy to achieve. As for the £200 that is harder but look out for a second hand from a LBS many do them and they should be vetted and sericed ready to go
 
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Mouki

Mouki

Regular
Location
Berkshire
Hi guys, thanks for the welcome and for all your helpful replies! ^_^ I had a nose at all the responses before hitting another 3 places + ebay and gumtree.

Ebay/Gumtree - I am a little apprehensive buying from here because of sizing and not having a clue of what I will be actually getting! I saw a few bikes which looked good before realising they had really big frames (M or L) and for 5' 5"+ height (I'm 5'2"). Also, some had damage on the frames/forks and I don't know if they were purely cosmetic damage or something I should be wary of structurely.

Halfords - I went there yesterday and looked at the Carreras as suggested but found them a little heavy and bulky looking. I was there for around 15 minutes and no staff member came over to help me. I got a little bored of just looking and went wondering to find someone but they all disappeared! I gave up and left.

TheBikeCompany - I was looking forward to this visit; ended up being less than 10 minutes though! Walked in and the guy asked what I wanted to ride for and I replied with the usual, some commuting and some off road dirt paths too. He just took me to 2 Whyte hybrid bikes for £550 and £800 and said that's all he could offer in store and they can't order any bikes in to just 'test' out. (Which I can understand) but only 2 bikes to show me? Come on!

My local Stows was the least I was looking forward to visiting but they were actually really great! Asked me questions and pulled down about 4 bikes explaining the differences and offered the Specialized Vita @ £400 and Vita Sport @ £500 which I really liked!

So after 6 bike shops in 3 different towns, i'm feeling pretty tired!! The 2 that I keep thinking about are the Specialized Vitas and the Norco VFR… Any preferences on either anyone?? The Stows guys said the Vitas should be the same weight as the Norco VFR if not lighter but they felt heavier to me.. I don't know if I just can't remember properly with all the bikes i've looked at now!

@sidevalve - I also did try looking for 10kg bikes around £300 mark and found none.. Unless this was specifically road bikes?? Most of the places offered a heavier bike around £400. The lightest I was offered was the Specialized Vita from Stows and the Norco VFR I found myself.

I'm going to compare the models and see if I can learn anything about the components but any advice on either models would be great! I'm reluctant to go back to Evans (Maidenhead) but would like to see the Norco VFR again and see if they have the Specialized Vitas too so I can compare and test ride both!

I hope my next post won't be more confusion…. :unsure:
 
The Vitus and the Norco both look good bikes. Can't see too much to separate them on paper, so test ride and fit and feel really. Do try to view a Triban as well. Also, do not forget you will need to buy other things besides the bike, like a good lock, some spares and basic tools plus a bag to carry them in, a helmet maybe, mudguards or a rack and maybe some cycling clothes. Please don't skimp on the lock and get a good D lock.
 

Herbie

Veteran
Location
Aberdeen
Hi guys!

I've been browsing the site and decided to join for some helpful advice! (I sure won't be able to give any!!) I talk a lot, so sorry in advance but I will try and make this post short..ish! :hyper: I posted a reply to the thread "My advice to newbies" based on nooby confusion too!

My background on bikes: Owned 2 bikes over 10 years ago - one was called Bluebell and had no breaks and the other was a Raleigh mountain bike, don't have a clue what model. I stopped cycling at 16/17 but then after years went to a cycle park in Kent last year and loved it and have wanted to get a bike ever since!

There are actually 3 of us looking for bikes, myself, my sister and friend and no, none of us know any cyclists! I knew 1 avid rider from work and he advised me not to cheap out! I think we have all agreed on Hybrids but my sister may need a more chill-out-mosey-along bike - which isn't heavy!

I would like: Something for Fitness and Commuting - Light trailing in the parks (not planning on going nuts over rocky areas or through stream beds or anything!) And for commuting to work eventually (when I can brave the roads!) And visiting friends (If I can ever manage 8 miles!) We have some good roads and pavement cycle paths so potholes aren't an issue. Budget - £300 - £500.
Friend is looking for: Fitness only as above. Budget - £200 max (I'm not able to budge her on this).
Sister is looking for: Complete leisure / mild fitness. Budget - £200 - £300. She's like a fragile little flower and does not want something heavy!

I've visited 2 LBS and a local Evans. The most attentive so far was the first LBS local to where I work. The young, really tall lad was helpful and listened and asked me questions. He suggested the Dawes Sport 2 Ladies 2014 @ £299 on offer. (http://dawescycles.com/product/discovery-sport-2-ladies/) I'm not going to lie, I didn't like the look of it and found it heavy but he said they can order in whatever I like and advise me on it if it's a brand they know well. The only thing I found with this one is that he explained a lot about the gear system and which brakes are best. He said I should always try and go for the disc brakes but they do add on the money. Hydraulic are the best but the V ones can wear over time more than disc brakes. He advised to try and not go below the £200 mark for a bike and I should find a decent one between £300-£400 for what I am looking for.

The 2nd LBS was OK, shop full of young, serious boys and the guy who spoke to me didn't seem too concerned about asking me questions. He offered the Merido Crossway 20 @ £400 I think. (http://www.merida-bikes.com/en_int/bikes/cross/cross/2014/crossway-20-md-413.html) I liked this one more but still found it heavy which was a downer but I was starting to expect all of them would be at this price. He said I should be looking between the £300 - £550 mark for something decent.

Lastly, after hearing so much about it, i visited a local Evans cycles - which was a bit of a let down! (Staff wise). It was really busy so my Sister and I went for a browse and I found 2 bikes I liked and which were not heavy!!

The first to be honest I loved the look of and the name just made me laugh! Cannondale Bad Boy 4 @ £550. (http://www.evanscycles.com/products...080&gclid=CKjtgqb52MUCFdLLtAodoG4A8A#features) Is this purely a mans bike?? I loved the matt finish on it and the feel but felt a bit embarrassed thinking is it mens only? (Plus, if I locked it up near my local area I think it would get stolen!!) The wheels were also a lot thinner than I thought and not sure if that would be a problem starting out on trailing?

The other I loved was the Norco VFR 2 @ £440 (http://www.evanscycles.com/products/norco/vfr-2-forma-2015-womens-hybrid-bike-ec075277) This was so light but the thing that put me off was the whole brakes conversation from the first LBS as it had V brakes and not discs! I just don't know enough about the parts and components to know if this is a good deal for my money.

The Evans staff member finally came round but didn't seem very enthusiastic (the store was very busy so maybe he was tired an hour before closing?) Answered my basic questions and advised I wouldn't find anything decent until I spent around the £500 mark! This slightly annoyed me considering they're selling cheaper bikes than £500 there but oh well, I thanked him and browsed on. My sister was totally confused but she liked the Norco as well but liked the look of the old style cream bikes with baskets but found them very heavy.

I am hoping to visit 2 other LBS' in the next couple of days to see what they offer and narrow it down (rather than confuse me!) And finally take some for spins!

I'm hoping i'm doing the right things? If anyone can advise what I should or shouldn't be doing or asking, please do tell me! I am trying very very hard not to judge a bike by the way it looks but apart from the weight, i'm nowhere near 100% of knowing what exactly I am looking for! I want to do my research properly but really want to start biking soon!

Any advice, I would be grateful! :blush:
Mouks


Nice short post for a booby.....lot......welcome to the forum ☺
 

Herbie

Veteran
Location
Aberdeen
Hi guys, thanks for the welcome and for all your helpful replies! ^_^ I had a nose at all the responses before hitting another 3 places + ebay and gumtree.

Ebay/Gumtree - I am a little apprehensive buying from here because of sizing and not having a clue of what I will be actually getting! I saw a few bikes which looked good before realising they had really big frames (M or L) and for 5' 5"+ height (I'm 5'2"). Also, some had damage on the frames/forks and I don't know if they were purely cosmetic damage or something I should be wary of structurely.

Halfords - I went there yesterday and looked at the Carreras as suggested but found them a little heavy and bulky looking. I was there for around 15 minutes and no staff member came over to help me. I got a little bored of just looking and went wondering to find someone but they all disappeared! I gave up and left.

TheBikeCompany - I was looking forward to this visit; ended up being less than 10 minutes though! Walked in and the guy asked what I wanted to ride for and I replied with the usual, some commuting and some off road dirt paths too. He just took me to 2 Whyte hybrid bikes for £550 and £800 and said that's all he could offer in store and they can't order any bikes in to just 'test' out. (Which I can understand) but only 2 bikes to show me? Come on!

My local Stows was the least I was looking forward to visiting but they were actually really great! Asked me questions and pulled down about 4 bikes explaining the differences and offered the Specialized Vita @ £400 and Vita Sport @ £500 which I really liked!

So after 6 bike shops in 3 different towns, i'm feeling pretty tired!! The 2 that I keep thinking about are the Specialized Vitas and the Norco VFR… Any preferences on either anyone?? The Stows guys said the Vitas should be the same weight as the Norco VFR if not lighter but they felt heavier to me.. I don't know if I just can't remember properly with all the bikes i've looked at now!

@sidevalve - I also did try looking for 10kg bikes around £300 mark and found none.. Unless this was specifically road bikes?? Most of the places offered a heavier bike around £400. The lightest I was offered was the Specialized Vita from Stows and the Norco VFR I found myself.

I'm going to compare the models and see if I can learn anything about the components but any advice on either models would be great! I'm reluctant to go back to Evans (Maidenhead) but would like to see the Norco VFR again and see if they have the Specialized Vitas too so I can compare and test ride both!

I hope my next post won't be more confusion…. :unsure:



Apologies for my spelling mistakes in my reply to you ....of course I meant newbie not booby and lol not lot...predictive text. Sucks!!!
 

slowmotion

Quite dreadful
Location
lost somewhere
Welcome Mouki. I'm no expert but I bought a Dawes 501 Discovery hybrid six years ago. It worked very well on roads and towpaths, and I went on a bit of light touring in Holland for a few weekends. I'm sure that advances have been made by all the bike manufacturers since then.....but you really don't need suspension or the disc brakes.

Have fun, whatever you choose.
 
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