Nicole Cooke's retirement

[ufkacbln]

You are ridiculous. Do stop it.

And the only reason why Longo hasn't been subjected to a proper investigation a la Armstrong is that no-one is any position of influence in either the UCI or WADA gives a monkeys about women's cycling. The same generalized sexism that keeps women's cycling in a secondary position ironically also allows someone like Longo to get away with quite clearly implausible feats - because the men in charge really don't care.

Translated as a "No" than?

The problem with that post Armstrong era is that accusations are being made without any substantiated evidence, merely by rumour, implication and suggestion. "No smoke without fire"



They may be true, they may not......... however what is needed is proof to take the case up formally

 

[rich p]

Simply a case of having standards.

Yours are evidently low

Yet another typically constructive ad hominem

 

[ufkacbln]

Yet another typically constructive ad hominem

Yep - I can sink to your standards.

 

[rich p]

Cunobellin, your stalking of me and constant harking back to some perceived slight is yet again derailing and spoiling another thread.
Can you, if not for my sake, for everyone else's, refrain from constant carping, personal criticism and stick to the topic with clear and concise points which can be debated in an adult way.

 

[PaulB]

Yep - I can sink to your standards.

This is why you were EXACTLY wrong in your assertions the other day that reckoned on the one hand we should be adult and not place anyone on ignore yet on the other hand to go and snitch to miss about Billy Stinky-bum. When you go on and on (and on and on and on and on) ad-infinitum to try and score precious points, it descends into a game of gobshite tennis.

And this is my tuppenyworth and the last thing I'm saying on this particular issue in this particular thread.

 

[ufkacbln]

Cunobellin, your stalking of me and constant harking back to some perceived slight is yet again derailing and spoiling another thread.
Can you, if not for my sake, for everyone else's, refrain from constant carping, personal criticism and stick to the topic with clear and concise points which can be debated in an adult way.

You haven't really read this then?

 

[rich p]

Cunobellin, your stalking of me and constant harking back to some perceived slight is yet again derailing and spoiling another thread.
Can you, if not for my sake, for everyone else's, refrain from constant carping, personal criticism and stick to the topic with clear and concise points which can be debated in an adult way.

You haven't really read this then?

I take it that's a no, then?

 

[ufkacbln]

You really are not reading this thread are you?

 

[rich p]

Still no?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

iirc in the early 00's no one thought to query the performances of Genevieve Jeanson as she time trialled off the front of every race. Doper.

If someone's performance is too good to be true then it is to good to be clean.

There is no substantiated scientific proof Armstrong doped. We all know by his own admission that he did.

I don't need substantiated proof re Longo, merely the evidence of her extra-ordinary performances. To believe she was clean requires a total and utter suspension of my critical faculties to such a degree that even a current Armstrong fanboy might blush.

(In 2011 Tyler Hamilton was stripped of his Mount Washington record. At the same time, having admitted to having doped more or less throughout her career, so was Genevieve Jeanson. Guess who became the holder as a result? Jeannie Longo!)

 

[dellzeqq]

You haven't really read this then?

ffs. Ignore list time

 

[LinchPin]

Is there some sexual tension between "rich p" and "Cunobelin" or have I been watching too much "Take me out"?

 

[raindog]

I don't need substantiated proof re Longo, merely the evidence of her extra-ordinary performances. To believe she was clean requires a total and utter suspension of my critical faculties to such a degree that even a current Armstrong fanboy might blush.

Mind you, going on that principle, maybe the extraordinary Beryl Burton was doping too.

 

[lukesdad]

Mind you, going on that principle, maybe the extraordinary Beryl Burton was doping too.

Nah you're allowed to pick and choose

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Mind you, going on that principle, maybe the extraordinary Beryl Burton was doping too.

Yes, the same thought had occurred to me too, but I was thinking about Kimmage's suspicions about Wiggins.

Though the case against Longo is circumstantial, there is no hard proof and she even got off after missing 3 whereabouts tests on a technicality. But given the longevity of her career, and the minor fact that her inseparable husband-trainer has admitted buying EPO, plus a couple of testimonies, I'm quite certain that she doped over many years.