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biggs682

Itching to get back on my bike's
Location
Northamptonshire
Time for my afternoon hot chocolate and a biscuit
 
I've never understood how driving around in circles could be classed as touring, I mean, ''touring cars'' never travel on the roads or go anywhere....

It is a bit of a misnomer. What's called a touring car in motor racing parlance is a competition car based on a typical 4-seat family car, as opposed to a sports car, which only has two seats, and a single-seater, which is fairly self-explanatory LOL. They used to be called Saloon Cars back in the day.

As with a lot of sports, some of the jargon is kind of stuck in the past. Motor touring was a thing in the early part of the 20th century.
 

oldwheels

Legendary Member
Location
Isle of Mull
It is a bit of a misnomer. What's called a touring car in motor racing parlance is a competition car based on a typical 4-seat family car, as opposed to a sports car, which only has two seats, and a single-seater, which is fairly self-explanatory LOL. They used to be called Saloon Cars back in the day.

As with a lot of sports, some of the jargon is kind of stuck in the past. Motor touring was a thing in the early part of the 20th century.
Reminds me a bit of the "car rally" we are stuck with. It started about 1970ish as really a glorified treasure hunt and caused no problems to residents. Now it is full blown car racing on public roads which are closed by act of parliament whether we like it or not. A few years ago they decided to race around our streets and everyone on the chosen route was ordered, not asked, to get their cars off the road by a certain time or they would be towed. No allowance given for carers or nursing staff. Get out and do as you are told or else.
No suggestion as to where the cars were to go as the car park was also out of bounds to ordinary mortals. Why do some people detest them I wonder?
 
Something in the water over there. You do get some right nut jobs.
it's not the water it's the extremist right wing liars & cheats & sore losers & fake patriots political leaders that inspire this disgusting behavior. because real patriots put country before self. now simple restaurants need bouncers & emergency medical services


A hostess at a well-known New York City restaurant was attacked just for asking to see a group's proof of COVID vaccination, a requirement to dine inside in the city.

Exclusive cellphone video obtained by NBC New York shows the Thursday evening attack outside Carmine's Restaurant on the Upper West Side. Around 5 p.m., tempers flared and the hostess stand is nearly tipped over in the mayhem, with a waiter at one point helping carry someone away from the scene.

The 22-year-old hostess asked the group of Texans to show proof of getting the COVID vaccine in order to dine in the restaurant, part of NYC's executive order that went into effect this week. Law enforcement sources said that the hostess was then repeatedly punched in the face and body, and sent to the hospital.
 
Reminds me a bit of the "car rally" we are stuck with. It started about 1970ish as really a glorified treasure hunt and caused no problems to residents. Now it is full blown car racing on public roads which are closed by act of parliament whether we like it or not. A few years ago they decided to race around our streets and everyone on the chosen route was ordered, not asked, to get their cars off the road by a certain time or they would be towed. No allowance given for carers or nursing staff. Get out and do as you are told or else.
No suggestion as to where the cars were to go as the car park was also out of bounds to ordinary mortals. Why do some people detest them I wonder?

The first event you describe is what used to be known as a road rally - not so common these days unfortunately. They usually (but not always) take place at night on open public roads. The objective is to get from A to B via various time and passage controls in a set time window, and within the speed limit. It is as much a test of navigation as driving, as the driver's navigator is only given the route about an hour before the start, and then he or she has to plot it on maps and then tell the driver where they're supposed to go.

The second one is a stage rally, which does take place on closed roads, private land, forestry tracks etc. Here, the objective is to complete the stages in the fastest possible time, and without incurring delays on any of the road (non-competitive) sections. Some smaller rallies, the competitors are issued with road books that have the stages detailed in them. On bigger rallies, you will have the recce, so that the co-driver can work out his or her pace notes. When you watch in car footage, this is what you hear being read to the driver.

Generally, the success (or not) of a rally depends on the organizing club. The same is true of cat shows - pompous jobsworths can be found in all walks of life, not just in motor racing.

If there is a problem, complain directly to the RACMSA - the body which licenses motorsport events in the UK. Pissing off the locals is one of the worst things a club can do.
 

oldwheels

Legendary Member
Location
Isle of Mull
The first event you describe is what used to be known as a road rally - not so common these days unfortunately. They usually (but not always) take place at night on open public roads. The objective is to get from A to B via various time and passage controls in a set time window, and within the speed limit. It is as much a test of navigation as driving, as the driver's navigator is only given the route about an hour before the start, and then he or she has to plot it on maps and then tell the driver where they're supposed to go.

The second one is a stage rally, which does take place on closed roads, private land, forestry tracks etc. Here, the objective is to complete the stages in the fastest possible time, and without incurring delays on any of the road (non-competitive) sections. Some smaller rallies, the competitors are issued with road books that have the stages detailed in them. On bigger rallies, you will have the recce, so that the co-driver can work out his or her pace notes. When you watch in car footage, this is what you hear being read to the driver.

Generally, the success (or not) of a rally depends on the organizing club. The same is true of cat shows - pompous jobsworths can be found in all walks of life, not just in motor racing.

If there is a problem, complain directly to the RACMSA - the body which licenses motorsport events in the UK. Pissing off the locals is one of the worst things a club can do.
I think the stage rallies you describe no longer take place on public roads on the mainland and we are the only one taking place anywhere. It used to be on forestry roads but so much damage was done to the roads that forestry got fed up with it.The organisation is based somewhere in the English midlands and pissing off locals does not concern them one jot.
I think many of the organisers could be described as pompous arrogant jobsworths and many encounters in my working years are almost beyond belief. I could fill pages with some funny and many not so but this is after all a cycling forum so I will desist.
 
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