Motorsports Thread

[figbat]

Confirmation that Red Bull broke spending rules last year.
Get your popcorn out.

A slap on the wrist and don't do it again (or don't get caught).

I would really like to see them weigh in heavily. Not deducting points and reversing the championship decider - that would just be too inflammatory - but an additional cost cap for them and reduced aero testing should clip their wings (so to speak).

 

[Reynard]

I would really like to see them weigh in heavily. Not deducting points and reversing the championship decider - that would just be too inflammatory - but an additional cost cap for them and reduced aero testing should clip their wings (so to speak).

Quite frankly, deducting points from last year (driver and constructor) would only be fair. There is precedent there, albeit not in F1 - the 1989 British F3 title went through the courts after various appeals and counter-appeals, and in the end, didn't get decided till February of 1990.

 

[icowden]

I would really like to see them weigh in heavily. Not deducting points and reversing the championship decider - that would just be too inflammatory

It might be inflammatory but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of the Red Bull garage that would think it was unfair.

 

[figbat]

It might be inflammatory but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of the Red Bull garage that would think it was unfair.

Oh I’d love to grab some popcorn and watch that one play out, but is that really what Lewis et al would want? A record 8th championship decided nearly a year later and no doubt after a bitter legal battle? How does that help the sport? The ripples from the Masi debacle are subsiding and people have largely swallowed it and moved on. It‘s not right, but is it better to drag the whole thing up again?

 

[Reynard]

Oh I’d love to grab some popcorn and watch that one play out, but is that really what Lewis et al would want? A record 8th championship decided nearly a year later and no doubt after a bitter legal battle? How does that help the sport? The ripples from the Masi debacle are subsiding and people have largely swallowed it and moved on. It‘s not right, but is it better to drag the whole thing up again?

I'd liken the budget cheating to doping in athletics and cycling. Because it IS cheating at the end of the day, and results HAVE been altered in retrospect (World Championships, Olympics, Grand Tours), so there is precedent.

And I think people would much rather see the right result and justice being done, even if two wrongs do not really make a right.

 

[FishFright]

It might be inflammatory but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of the Red Bull garage that would think it was unfair.

Outside of the UK its not the same .

 

[Illaveago]

I'd liken the budget cheating to doping in athletics and cycling. Because it IS cheating at the end of the day, and results HAVE been altered in retrospect (World Championships, Olympics, Grand Tours), so there is precedent.

And I think people would much rather see the right result and justice being done, even if two wrongs do not really make a right.

It is as you say cheating ! They have gained an unfair advantage ! As Lewis said the overspend could amount to several tenths of a second per lap .
If the FIA just impose a token fine how will the rest of the teams respond ? Ignore future spending limits ?

 

[classic33]

Mercedes themselves are rumoured to be in breach of the cost cap this year, in the lead up to the Japanese Grand Prix. Which Wolff had no intention of attending, and didn't. And he's now looking at taking it through the courts. Both Red Bull and Aston Martin.

I see a "Mercedes Gate" on the horizon. Wolff appears to know certain figures a little too well.

 

[icowden]

Mercedes themselves are rumoured to be in breach of the cost cap this year, in the lead up to the Japanese Grand Prix

Ok, I think we need a deep dive here. Rumoured where? I can't find a single online article, which seems strange. Secondly are you suggesting that they have already spent their 2022 budget with 4 races still to go? The cap is a budget for the year, not per race.

 

[Reynard]

Pfegh, the motor racing paddocks are a hotbed for rumours. Until proven, it's just that, a lot of hot air, often generated by those who have an interest in deflecting some of the heat from themselves.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

F1’s governing body has gone down the first avenue of responding to a ‘minor’ overspend by setting out the terms of an ‘Accepted Breach Agreement’ to Red Bull, an Accepted Breach Agreement - or ABA - is where the team in question accepts they have done wrong and agree to follow certain actions that will be taken by the FIA’s Cost Cap Administration.


https://www.crash.net/f1/news/10148...bull-over-cost-cap-breach-will-they-accept-it

 

[Illaveago]

F1’s governing body has gone down the first avenue of responding to a ‘minor’ overspend by setting out the terms of an ‘Accepted Breach Agreement’ to Red Bull, an Accepted Breach Agreement - or ABA - is where the team in question accepts they have done wrong and agree to follow certain actions that will be taken by the FIA’s Cost Cap Administration.


https://www.crash.net/f1/news/10148...bull-over-cost-cap-breach-will-they-accept-it

From what I have seen it doesn't look like C H accepts that they overspent and keeps coming up with different excuses. McLaren threatening legal action if the FIA just hand out a fine . Looks like a fine mess !
Did the FIA slip the government a fiver to create a diversion ?

 

[Deleted member 1258]

From what I have seen it doesn't look like C H accepts that they overspent and keeps coming up with different excuses. McLaren threatening legal action if the FIA just hand out a fine . Looks like a fine mess !
Did the FIA slip the government a fiver to create a diversion ?

I'm not expecting them to accept the ABA, and if they do the rest of the paddock ain't going to be happy.

 

[Illaveago]

I'm not expecting them to accept the ABA, and if they do the rest of the paddock ain't going to be happy.

If they don't get punished how or why should other teams stick to the budget ?

 

[Deleted member 1258]

If they don't get punished how or why should other teams stick to the budget ?

We'll have to see if they go to the Cost Cap Adjudication Panel instead and what happens then.