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glasgowcyclist

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icowden said:
For what it's worth, it's an excellent sequel. Not too much Hollywood silliness, but just enough. Some irritations - like the "enemy country" is never named, and enemy planes are unidentifiable as belonging to any country...
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We went to see it yesterday and I’m pretty sure they state the target is in Iran.
 
Illaveago

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Phaeton said:
This part of the secretive nature of F1, Perez's wing was not flexing & only Max has issues opening & closing it, which leads me to think they are using 2 different systems on the cars. I new lighter but currently more problematic one on Verstappen & the heavier more reliable on Perez's, we might be only talking grams here, but moving that from the top of the wing to below COG could make a difference. I'm quite surprised that other teams didn't ask the FIA to investigate the amount of flex, normally it's millimetres, his was flapping all over the place.

I didn't know there was a sequel, have to see how bad it is.
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I was surprised that nobody got out their feeler gauges to check the gap between the wings on the winning cars . I would have thought that they could have had a good case for them to have them checked .
 
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Illaveago said:
I was surprised that nobody got out their feeler gauges to check the gap between the wings on the winning cars . I would have thought that they could have had a good case for them to have them checked .
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Why do you think they might not have been?

There are routine checks both before an after the race to make sure everything is within specified limits.
 
glasgowcyclist

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Tom B

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icowden said:
Yep - that's the shoot I keep on seeing. Toto pointed out that Russell outqualified Hamilton on the last 3 races as each time, stuff they were experimenting with just worked better on one car than the other. Hamilton's race pace has generally been faster but he has been held back by having to overtake people whilst Russell has generally been in a good position from the start and able to make hay.


I think because of the budget caps they are having to try and fix it. There is a strong limit on what they are now allowed to do to the car - hence Russell raising the issue of bottoming and pointing out that they can't go 4 years like this.
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I seem to think that the modern cars set up on a knife edge, in a particular way with particular characteristics. If that suits your driving style then great. But if your driving style isn't suitable for the knife edge performance zone of the car you struggle and can't get the car into the zone.


I'm no fan, but I dont think Danny ric is as bad or as far away from Lando as the last two McLaren cars have shown.

The problem is, in season testing or running and development is so limited that if you have a turkey of a car because you have gone the wrong way on something it can be impossible to change in season. So often we see relative performance locked in all season.

I think the Merc is running a set up a good way away from where they would like it to be.... And still is porpoises.... How bad would it be if the ran it at "best"?

I'm a believer in a fast car looks good and an ugly car is usually slow. In my eyes the Merc looks a dog.
 
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Tom B said:
The problem is, in season testing or running and development is so limited that if you have a turkey of a car because you have gone the wrong way on something it can be impossible to change in season. So often we see relative performance locked in all season.
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But did they shoot themselves in the foot here, didn't they do all the testing in the old format & only bring out the car for the last day for the sensational photo opportunity, remember Dame Horner was wanting the FIA to investigate whether it complied with the rules, just imagine if they had, it wasn't & Mercedes had to go back a generation, maybe they'd be in contention.
 
Illaveago

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I wish Red Bull would have a few more engine problems so that that Horner chappie would shut up ! He's become unbearable ! :angry:
 
Tom B

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Jody said:
The pack caught up to Merc by the end of the last formula and has been fractured again by the new rules.

Always the same. Some winners and some losers. They will all come together again over the next few years. Just in time for the new rules and manufactures to come in.
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I see more than the pack catching up. Yes they have. But Mercs cars have become more and more picky, or peaky to set up and drive. They even identified it and termed it as "Diva" cars.
 
figbat

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Apparently “closer scrutiny of the planks and skids, both in terms of their design and the observed wear” and “define a metric, based on the car’s vertical acceleration, that will give a quantitative limit for an acceptable level of vertical oscillations.”

So that's clear then.
 
Joey Shabadoo

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Attach a landmine under the car. If the car floor touches the track, it blows up. Provides a real incentive for the teams to get it right with the added bonus of making races more interesting for viewers.
 
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