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FTFY :troll:

FTFY!!

No-one really expects one from you.

You have demonstrated that after three months you do not have the common decency to reply to points you raised ... unequivocally the actions of a troll.

It has been shown each time you post that you are totally ignorant of the content of the article you link and have only posted it with the intention to be inflammatory.
 
Cyclist suffers fractured skull in accident with car in Dunfermline

Another fortunate cyclist avoids a rotational injury.

However, even in the knowledge that TyT is trolling and will not make any reply...

This article again fails to show anything to really support TyT's real agenda on helmets.

A head injury was reported, but there is no mention of the severity of other injuries or whether they were a contributory factor. The "serious injury" could be the fractured leg if this is complex, that article does not at any point state that the head injury itself was "serious". A fractured skull can in fact be fairly minor in the overall clinical picture.There is also no mention of where these diagnoses arose - is it in fact accurate?

The article has also failed to justify in any way whether a helmet would have made any difference in a high energy impact like this.

TyT has again unwittingly achieved the opposite of his intentions and proved the point of the first post by showing how some people have an unswerving belief in the magic powers of a helmet despite evidence of the limitations.

Thank you for illustrating so precisely the issue of blind faith in helmets.

TyT's help in supporting the issues of reliance on helmets however does not stop there!

The article also states that witnesses:

''The man on the bike was going at quite a speed. He came off the pavement and was hit by the car.

So it would appear that (if one accepts this as "evidence") that the cyclist had failed to make adequate observations and had been at least partially at fault.

Thanks once again TyT for raising the question whether we should be preventing accidents (would this have occurred at all if the cyclist had been properly trained and riding in a safe manner) or accepting dangerous riding in the hope that a helmet will prevent an injury.

Anyway another question to add to the many that TyT is ignoring:

Prevention of the accident is surely more effective than trying to minimise the injures that result. Do you feel that training in this case and (presumably) preventing the accident would have been a better option?
 

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.......A head injury was reported, but there is no mention of the severity of other injuries or whether they were a contributory factor. The "serious injury" could be the fractured leg if this is complex, that article does not at any point state that the head injury itself was "serious". A fractured skull can in fact be fairly minor in the overall clinical picture.There is also no mention of where these diagnoses arose - is it in fact accurate?

The article has also failed to justify in any way whether a helmet would have made any difference in a high energy impact like this.

TyT has again unwittingly achieved the opposite of his intentions and proved the point of the first post by showing how some people have an unswerving belief in the magic powers of a helmet despite evidence of the limitations.

Thank you for illustrating so precisely the issue of blind faith in helmets.

In your response above you suggest that the article does not report that the head injury was serious:- quote “.... that article does not at any point stste (sic) that the head injury itself was "serious".” This is of course untrue. Anyone taking the time to read the article will quickly discover this, but someone just browsing the thread is likely to be taken in by your lazy (or mischievous) quoting. And then you wonder why I can’t be bothered with your questions.

Far from supporting your position it is indeed further evidence supporting mine, which, for the avoidance of doubt I set out in four words below:

Helmets Provide Head Protection.

Anyway here’s another fresh example of a cyclist who was not wearing a helmet suffering a serious head injury.

This is another ideal opportunity for you to present news reports of those cases where the wearing of a helmet causes the rotational or other (note: I do not even suggest serious) injuries you have spoken of.

Regards,

Tyt
 
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In your response above you suggest that the article does not report that the head injury was serious:- quote “.... that article does not at any point stste (sic) that the head injury itself was "serious".” This is of course untrue. Anyone taking the time to read the article will quickly discover this, but someone just browsing the thread is likely to be taken in by your lazy (or mischievous) quoting. And then you wonder why I can’t be bothered with your questions.

Wrong - you don't answer them, because you can't and in this case where you have are also evasive and dishonest in the avoidance.

Just to save time, I will quote the article to clarify my point. You have clearly claimed that I have lied when I said the article does not which of the injuries was "serious"

A cyclist was seriously injured in a collision with a car on Monday night.
The 25-year-old suffered a fractured skull and a broken leg and collar bone in the accident on the outskirts of Dunfermline.
Eyewitnesses at the scene on Halbeath Road reported seeing the man, who was not wearing a helmet, flying through the air and landing on his head after a collision with a silver Ford Focus close to the junction with Linburn Road shortly after 9.30pm.
As other motorists comforted the driver of the Ford, the cyclist was taken by ambulance to Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy with what police described as serious but not life threatening injuries.
A witness told The Courier: ''The man on the bike was going at quite a speed. He came off the pavement and was hit by the car. He flew really quite high into the air and came down with a thump on his head.''

Please use whichever highlighting technique you like in the vain attempt to justify your claim that I am lying. Just underline, highlight or colour the point where the article says that the head injury was serious.

Or aplogise for again not understanding what you have posted and then calling me a liar when the evidence unequivocally proves thatthis is not the case.


Far from supporting your position it is indeed further evidence supporting mine, which, for the avoidance of doubt I set out in four words below:

Helmets Provide Head Protection.

Anyway here’s another fresh example of a cyclist who was not wearing a helmet suffering a serious head injury.

This is another ideal opportunity for you to present news reports of those cases where the wearing of a helmet causes the rotational or other (note: I do not even suggest serious) injuries you have spoken of.

Regards,

Tyt

Thank you for once again proving my point. You can make that statement as many times as you like and it reinforces a blind belif in helmets and a total failure to understand how they work and their limitations!
 
These threads follow a pattern of sorts.

Prologue: A point is raised and initial thoughts posted.

Main Body: Lighthearted trollery mingles with serious points and one or two fearsome defensive positions being hacked into solid rock. Hardened views start to become apparent, but they are couched in the language of tolerance.

Epilogue: From bunkers nicely protected under ten metres of inpenetrable and dogma-reinforced concrete, heavy artillery is used and it all starts to look a little childish. This is when personal abuse starts to trickle into the thread. Most casual readers begin at this point to think that some die-hards might be taking themselves and their opinions rather more seriously than anyone else does.

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Anyway here’s another fresh example of a cyclist who was not wearing a helmet suffering a serious head injury.

This is another ideal opportunity for you to present news reports of those cases where the wearing of a helmet causes the rotational or other (note: I do not even suggest serious) injuries you have spoken of.

Regards,

Tyt


As Mr Paul points out... there is no unequivocal evidence in this article as to whether a helmet would have been of benefit or not

How does this article actually support a claim that a helmet would have protected this cyclist. ?

There is nothing in the article that gives any indication of the method of the aetiology of the head injury. We cannot make any deductions based on the evidence we can however make assumptions based on a misplaced blind faith in the infallibility of helmets

Police say it remains unclear how the incident happened. They reiterated their earlier appeal for the driver of a black, or dark-coloured, car with a 'prominent boot', thought to be in the area at the time, to come forward.

The Police are looking for another vehicle which implies (exactly that - an implication) that another vehicle was involved.

One could speculate without any foundation that the cyclist knew the driver took one hand off to wave to the driver and lost control, equally one could speculate that it was a higher speed hit and run. There is no proof of either.The Police are unclear, so unless you are party to information they do not have, I would suggest that we accept there is no evidence to back up either scenario.

Equally where there other injuries (they are neither excluded or included in the story) which could have affected the individual's ability o recover. There is nothing in the article to suggest or deny this. The "principal injury" is identified, but as anyone who works in MEdicine will confirm, it is not always that simple.



Once again a half story passed off a an attempt to justify your agenda, but failing miserably to do so.... keep up the good work.
 
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You missed out the bit where someone pitches in with the above as though they thought it might be helpful

Who said anything about being helpful?

I was just making slightly tart, middle-aged comments from the roadside as the peloton of dogmatic crusaders swept past on their... moral high horses...

(My imagery seems to have been rendered slightly wobbly. I may need to re-adjust my set.)
 
In your response above you suggest that the article does not report that the head injury was serious:- quote “.... that article does not at any point stste (sic) that the head injury itself was "serious".” This is of course untrue. Anyone taking the time to read the article will quickly discover this, but someone just browsing the thread is likely to be taken in by your lazy (or mischievous) quoting. And then you wonder why I can’t be bothered with your questions.
Regards,

Tyt

Thank you for recognising that you were in error .....it gives some question however whether now we have clarified this as to what excuses you will come up with next, in order to avoid the increasing number of questions your posts are raising
 
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