Life of a drive train?

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Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
It's happened to me. I fritzed the chain, chainrings and cassette (SRAM Apex) and had a seized BB all within 3-4k miles. Partly this was due to me being insufficiently fastidious when cleaning, partly due to me not monitoring chain stretch, and partly due to all modern things being rubbish.
 

alecstilleyedye

nothing in moderation
Moderator
an elder statesman of my club is a former mechanic for team gb. his advice was that high-end groupsets are to be avoided by the regular clubman if they didn't have bottomless pits of cash to spend. the top kit is designed for the pros, designed for use in a few races before the sacrifices made to save weight make the components unreliable.

i had a colleague who used to occasionally ride 40 miles in on a campag record equipped pinerello. he'd been through lots of rear mechs and a carbon crank and at one point the bike was off the road because he couldn't afford a record replacement, even though he could have bought a lower spec one for less money that would last much better.

my tiagra groupset is still going strong after 10 years, although the chain and cassette have been replaced, as has the front mech. shifters, rear mech and brakes all work as well as they did from new, and the bike it's has clocked up probably more than 10,000 miles over the years. shimano tiagra/105/ultegra offer a good balance of lightness, performance and durability; think of all the groupsets produced by the likes of shimano, campagnolo and sram - the expensive stuff is high performance but with a shorter service life, the cheapest stuff bomb-proof but heavy.

clean and lube at least once a week, and things will last longer, whatever they are…
 
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It's happened to me. I fritzed the chain, chainrings and cassette (SRAM Apex) and had a seized BB all within 3-4k miles. Partly this was due to me being insufficiently fastidious when cleaning, partly due to me not monitoring chain stretch, and partly due to all modern things being rubbish.
Got to ask what type of BB this was, and some of the others mentioned on here that seem to be failing after none too many miles. A failed BB has nothing to do with poor maintenance of course.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
My Dura Ace Stuff is still going strong after 26 years. Just chains, cassette and new chainrings over that time.

I would still replace just the cassette and chain. Post some pictures of the chainset and we will let you know.

It's like getting new brake pads for cars. "Sir we recommend you change the discs as well as there is a lip on the disk". Me, nope it will be fine. It was as the disc wasn't overly worn.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
My Dura Ace Stuff is still going strong after 26 years. Just chains, cassette and new chainrings over that time.
So @fossyant are you saying that your 1990 BB is still going (I'm not surprised and pleased for you - credit to your maintenance regime in line with @lpretro1 's comment (and its design which is still the best)) and that the cranks are still fit for purpose (no reason why they should wear except cosmetically)? Do you count the FD and RD as part of the drive chain? Presumably new wheels and therefore freehubs, with ever-increasing capacity (ie 7>8>9>10).
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Got to ask what type of BB this was, and some of the others mentioned on here that seem to be failing after none too many miles. A failed BB has nothing to do with poor maintenance of course.
It was a SRAM GXP BB. It just seized up. So I opened it up as per the manual to clean and regrease. It was péfectly clean inside, and there was still grease on the bearings but it was seized hard on one side. Just wouldn't turn.

I'm prepared to take my share of blame for the drive train wearing out, but the death of the BB was just a case of modern things being rubbish.
 

speccy1

Guest
hi everyone, I'm posting a question on behalf of my husband. He has a Trek Madone which is 3 years old, summer ride only so 18 months old in "road years"! The recent service carried out at a local bike shop says that the drive train needs replacing. This is on top of 2 bottom brackets in previous years. Is it normal for a quality bike to need this kind of work? He rides 50-60 miles at the weekend with maybe a commute of 20 miles every other week or so.

Thanks
For my 2p worth.............

I commute about 6000 miles/year and replace my drive chain every spring, and by then it is totally shot, I have to do everything - chainrings, chain, cassette, bottom bracket, headset bearings, and cables. Costs me about £300 but not bad for a years` worth of transport, and all the enjoyment that those 6000 miles have given me:okay:
 

Tojo

Über Member
Chainrings can last a long time as long as you look after the chain - if you just let it go and wear beyond wear and then some it will wear the rings and if you ride with the rings full of crap, grit etc then more so. It is unfair to say any particular shop is 'talking bollocks' about changing rings unless you have first hand knowledge of the rings concerned or a crystal ball - you have not seen the state of the bike...




Yesterday, a mate of mine asked if I had a new 11spd chain spare as he thought his was worn out and was slipping, so he rode round and we took off the chain and measured it, oops it was well over 1%, changed the chain and cassette and off he went, I saw him later and still having probs...? then he said its slipping on the front, (he didn't mention that initially) and unfortunately I didn't look at his chainrings as I just took the old chain off and he cleaned the groupset up while I changed the cassette ....now looks like he's left the chain far too long and knackered the outer chainring (Ultegra).....costly and avoidable by replacing chains before they are totally Fooked.....:cuppa:
 
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Tojo

Über Member
For my 2p worth.............

I commute about 6000 miles/year and replace my drive chain every spring, and by then it is totally shot, I have to do everything - chainrings, chain, cassette, bottom bracket, headset bearings, and cables. Costs me about £300 but not bad for a years` worth of transport, and all the enjoyment that those 6000 miles have given me:okay:


The cassettes and chainrings would last longer if you replaced your chain every 2-3k.......:whistle:
 

speccy1

Guest
The cassettes and chainrings would last longer if you replaced your chain every 2-3k.......:whistle:
Quite true, but for what they cost, I`d rather just replace the lot every year, the whole drivetrain only cost me about £50 so I`m happy with that
 
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The cassettes and chainrings would last longer if you replaced your chain every 2-3k.......:whistle:

I'm riding around 5000 miles a year split between 2 bikes, a geared bike and a fixed. The geared bike gets a new chain every year and a new cassette every 3 years, other components will get changed as and when they wear out. The fixed gets a new chain every year and a new cog every 2 years. I've always wondered why BB's vary so much in how long they last, I've had them where they barely last a year and I've had them lasting years.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
I commute about 6000 miles/year and replace my drive chain every spring, and by then it is totally shot, I have to do everything - chainrings, chain, cassette, bottom bracket, headset bearings, and cables.

the whole drivetrain only cost me about £50
You must have an excellent supplier of components to get that lot for 50 quid: do share your source.
Or you're buying complete rubbish.
Either way you'd be well advised to follow @Tojo 's advice and replace the chain more frequently (decent one @ £15) and the cassette at half that frequency. Your chainwheels would thank you and be less likely to wear, and thus last much longer.
 
You must have an excellent supplier of components to get that lot for 50 quid: do share your source.
Assume he's got a compact double, and doesn't use the small ring that often so doesn't replace it every year, then you could buy tiagra chain and cassette and 105 large chainring for less than £55 from Merlin, the small one as well would bring it closer to £70.

So, keeping an eye on the prices could probably get you the lot for ~50 over the course of 12 months.
 
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