Last night's boxing; Nick Blackwell v. Chris Eubank Jr.

[Markymark]

Can you tell me which of those activities sets out to do actual physical harm to another person?

Most of the martial arts. I had 2 dislocationed thumbs and 3 cracked ribs. All from people kicking me.

 

[Markymark]

You really think it's similar? I did years of full-contact kung-fu. It was practiced with lots of padding, including for the head - which I believe is also the case for Taekwando - and head strikes were specifically prohibited 99% of the time.

In any case, you are talking about amateur / leisure sport, not a professional version. Amateur boxing is a whole different ballgame too, with head guards* and limited length contests with the emphasis on point-scoring not knock-downs.

*Although I hear they are about to get rid of these and allow Pros to fight at the Olympics, which is madness IMHO.

Then I'm sure you remember what's it's like when a black belt kicked you full force even with padding. It hurts. Padding dulls it only slightly and I believe is mostly used to stop bones being broken. The effect of sparring and people going for it is not points based on technical kicks but hitting hard and wearing your opponent down.

I doubt anyone, including boxers, want to cause a brain injury but martial arts hurts, a lot and that is the intention when sparring even when wearing protection.

 

[Tenacious Sloth]

See FM's post on p.2. And the others?

I can't speak with any authority on the intricacies of boxing or any martial art for that matter, as I have never suited a dressing gown and find that it really hurts when someone hits me.

So my choice is not to participate.

Some people really enjoy these activities, sometimes making a good living out of it. They know the risks but choose to participate anyway.

Good luck to them, I certainly have no right to stop them as the only people who can get hurt are the participants. If they were putting non-participating bystanders lives at risk then I may well be moved to attempt to put a stop to it.

Graham.

 

[Markymark]

I understood that martial arts were not about rendering your opponent bloody and unconscious, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Anyway that leaves the rest of the list. Competitive rock climbing? The winner is the one who manages to cut their opponent's rope and kick them off the crag I suppose. Skydiving? Cut your opponent's chute lines so they plummet to earth. Motor racing? Force your opponents to crash and burn. I'll leave underwater basket weaving, because I think that was just stupid. Rugby? As I understand it, if players assault other players they are sanctioned.

So, all in all, that was a bit of a bullshit Mr Angry nonsense wasn't it.

No, nobody wants to seriously injure anyone in Taekwondo and you'll be out if you do. But you do try and hurt people in a show of force, ideally controlled. I was always covered in bruises.

Oh, and have you seen what is acceptable in rugby? A definite physical attack in any other circumstance.

 

[Tenacious Sloth]

I understood that martial arts were not about rendering your opponent bloody and unconscious, but perhaps I'm wrong about that.

Anyway that leaves the rest of the list. Competitive rock climbing? The winner is the one who manages to cut their opponent's rope and kick them off the crag I suppose. Skydiving? Cut your opponent's chute lines so they plummet to earth. Motor racing? Force your opponents to crash and burn. I'll leave underwater basket weaving, because I think that was just stupid. Rugby? As I understand it, if players assault other players they are sanctioned.

So, all in all, that was a bit of a bullshit Mr Angry nonsense wasn't it.

Irony seems to be lost on you. Are you American?

 

[Inertia]

No, nobody wants to seriously injure anyone in Taekwondo and you'll be out if you do. But you do try and hurt people in a show of force, ideally controlled. I was always covered in bruises.

Oh, and have you seen what is acceptable in rugby? A definite physical attack in any other circumstance.

Are blows to the head part of
Taekwondo?

I'm not sure what you mean in rugby, I do agree that tackling someone on the high street could be classed as an assault.

 

[Haitch]

I can't speak with any authority...

Have you got an opinion? That's all that counts.

 

[Markymark]

Are blows to the head part of
Taekwondo?

I'm not sure what you mean in rugby, I do agree that tackling someone on the high street could be classed as an assault.

You train for kicking to the head and you either foot protectors (padded shoes) and or head protection.

 

[OskarTennisChampion]

I participated in Judo for a number of years,and there were a lot of injuries in all the competitions.
I believe there is a (not surprisingly) high incident rate in Japan itself.Head injuries are on the rise apparently.
The object being to throw someone to the ground and then apply a choke hold to their submission as the whole idea.
But you knew the risks,and you still participated.
No one is asking for Judo to be banned.
Although I do disagree with head guards being not compulsory in the Olympics in Boxing
Sure,they have been trained to a good level,but most of the fights I see look like two Jack Rabbits in a show of superiority .
With opponents trying to land the "big one" before the 3 rounds are up.

 

[Inertia]

You train for kicking to the head and you either foot protectors (padded shoes) and or head protection.

Thanks, my knowledge on the sport is limited. so unlike professional boxing there are safety measures to protect the competitors head.

 

[Markymark]

Thanks, my knowledge on the sport is limited. so unlike professional boxing there are safety measures to protect the competitors head.

Yes. It's supposed to hurt not injure. But the intention is to win with strength and skill by hitting.

 

[Joffey]

Heard a boxer today mention that head guards in boxing tend to contribute to more head trauma. Not sure how right that is like but I suppose it could rattle the head a bit more. (Should I be posting this in the official helmet debate thread lol)

 

[Inertia]

Heard a boxer today mention that head guards in boxing tend to contribute to more head trauma. Not sure how right that is like but I suppose it could rattle the head a bit more. (Should I be posting this in the official helmet debate thread lol)

I think the theory is that the boxer will hit harder, thinking that the opponent is immune to injury. Or that the boxer will guard less thinking that he is immune to injury

 

[Markymark]

I think the theory is that the boxer will hit harder, thinking that the opponent is immune to injury. Or that the boxer will guard less thinking that he is immune to injury

Risk compensation? Now where have I heard that before.....

 

[Tenacious Sloth]

Ah right. The 'it was just a bit of bantz and lolz' defence. Fair enough, I'll not bother with you again.

Well. That's a relief. Shall we just agree to disagree in the matter of personal choice, agree that we both like cycling and leave it at that?

Have you got an opinion? That's all that counts.

Sorry, I thought I had offered an opinion.

To clarify, I'm all for banning people from using mobile phones while driving for example as it puts innocent lives at risk.

I'm against banning boxing as the competitors are not innocent. They know the risks when they get into the ring and still choose to participate. Every boxer in the country will be aware of what happened last night due to the high level of media coverage. Those that continue to box are fully aware of the risks involved and can stop if they wish.

What right have I got to tell them what they should or shouldn't do?

Graham