La Vuelta a Espana 22/8 - 13/9 2015 (here be spoilers)

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rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
Crikey, what a fab stage finish.
 

Berk on a Bike

Veteran
Location
Yorkshire
Has anyone seen any baseless remarks online re. Dumoulin and doping? I just wonder given the invective aimed at other riders when they put in an "off the charts" performance...
 

Andrew Br

Still part of the team !
Has anyone seen any baseless remarks online re. Dumoulin and doping? I just wonder given the invective aimed at other riders when they put in an "off the charts" performance...

I thought this ^

You know when they look at a sporting great and they say this is the moment he broke through - I believe we just saw that today. He has the talent. The last 200m showed that extra bit that's required to go from a good sportsman to a great sportsman.

But I'm choosing to believe this ^

I hope I'm right.
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
I don't think we saw any superhuman performances today. I think we saw a lot of riders who have little left to give at the end of a long, hard season. Like heavyweight boxers trading tired blows at the end of the 13th round. Majka rode a canny race, not following the attacks but sitting there biding his time. I said to my son, watch him, he's going to attack any moment, and when he did I thought he had it in the bag. But clearly the Tour has taken its toll. Purito and Valverde both look shagged. Froome's late flourish was astonishing, but he benefitted from riding his own race rather than trying to chase the attacks. I still don't think he'll have enough in the tank to go the distance.

Dumoulin will be relatively fresh after his early withdrawal from the Tour but the real climbing is still to come. I'd be very surprised if he still has the red jersey after stage 11.

Aru looks like he's still riding himself into racing form but there's a long way to go yet and I'd still have him as favourite.
 

timbono5

New Member
Aru was my favourite going into it but he hasn't picked up any time so far and will no doubt lose time to Froome in the time trial.
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
But how much will he gain in the big mountain stages?
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave

Buddfox

Veteran
Location
London
I have no reason to believe that Dumoulin is on the sauce, but he seemed a bit taken aback by Matt Rendell's questioning after the stage (on the ITV4 highlights) which doesn't help as far as the cynics are concerned. The question came across perhaps more accusatory than it was intended (basically compared Chavez and Dumoulin in terms of size, and i.e. how can you as a big guy beat a small guy up a hill), and he flapped a bit in answering it ("erm well, more power, erm I've lost some weight in the last few weeks but apparently not any power"; not because he has anything to hide, I just think he was a bit bemused by the tone of the question).

I think we're all a bit too cynical, but when someone says they are managing to generate more power for less weight, some people will roll their eyes. Weird, because that's what every cyclist who races can and does achieve week in, week out.
 

Mattonsea

Über Member
Location
New Forest
I suppose the issue is can we tell if someone is micro dosing. Riders have had off days in all 3 GT's , paid for exertions the next day, all look knackered in this final race ,especially if they did the Tour. Aru should be right on form but as has been stated ,riding into the race. My point is can we tell who is micro dosing , because the idiots who juice up like its the 2003 are being caught easily .
That said all the racing this year looks credible ,I cant see people climbing and looking like they are on a trip to the shops.
 
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