RWright
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I hope he is clean but that dude is old. Time will tell I guess.
La Vuelta 2013 (24 Aug - 15 Sept) **SPOILERS**
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kedab
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+1 with as much vigor as i can +1 it with...when he's sitting there looking down the camera lens pretty much telling me i should be kissing his feet because what i've just witnessed is legendary and will never be done again, i just want to kick his face off...it doesn't help that i don't believe he's won that vuelta on bread and water but my goodness, a little bit of humility would go some way to helping his cause.
Strathlubnaig
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I am not sure 'muricans do humility very well.
kedab
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i didn't write it because i knew i didn't have to...it would have helped though, wouldn't it? i don't want him sobbing and snotting all down his jersey, nor do i want him praising jeeeezus and the like but a little bit of, 'that was frikin hard and i've pretty much done myself in, it was emosh, fanks for watching...oh by the way, i did that clean. believe bredrin, i'll show you me power data and everyting blud', would have been nice 
deptfordmarmoset
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I agree very largely with @Pedrosanchezo 's point of view. But cycling's problem, at least to me, seems to be less of a case of ''guilty until proved innocent'' as ''not innocent just because you haven't been found out.'' The LA shambles can't even be held responsible for that state of affairs because, though he's perhaps the most notorious recent example, he was by no means the first. And won't be the last.
Cycling has an enormous credibility gap, which proponents of the ideal of fair competition in cycle racing will feel more keenly than the followers of other sports.
EDIT: Oh I forgot to say I can't stand CH, nor would I trust his word, not because his initials spell the first two letters of CHEAT, not because he's an American, but because he seems more synthetic than anything any chemist has ever produced.
Cycling has an enormous credibility gap, which proponents of the ideal of fair competition in cycle racing will feel more keenly than the followers of other sports.
EDIT: Oh I forgot to say I can't stand CH, nor would I trust his word, not because his initials spell the first two letters of CHEAT, not because he's an American, but because he seems more synthetic than anything any chemist has ever produced.
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Pedrosanchezo
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Yeh he's not the most humble GC winner i've come across. The way he looked into the camera whilst talking about "legendary" made me feel quite uneasy.
I suppose doped or not his win will indeed be legendary. Either way he is still a douche.
RWright
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I am glad I didn't see Horner's post race interview.
I always thought Lance was a douche in his interviews and never cared much for him. I saw him as an unlikeable Lyle Lovett look alike. I was even a little ashamed he was from the South when watching some of his early TDF win interviews. I never watched any of the later interviews.
themosquitoking
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He pulled Sheryl Crow though, wonder what the drugs did for his performance in that area.
RWright
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Lyle pulled Julia Roberts too. Amazing.
Flying_Monkey
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If he won clean, this is one of the most amazing GT wins ever. The thing is that the 'if' is a massive, massive 'if', whether he ever tests positive or not. Personally, I don't believe it.
Not to put some extra gasoline on the fire... but this is quite a brilliant coincidence 
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http://translate.google.com/transla...-Horner-miste-vanochtend-dopingcontrole.dhtml
:http://translate.google.com/transla...-Horner-miste-vanochtend-dopingcontrole.dhtml
deptfordmarmoset
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So, the minute the testing passes from ASO to USADA, Horner disappears from his corner?Not to put some extra gasoline on the fire... but this is quite a brilliant coincidence
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1297/Doping-In-Wielrennen/article/detail/1705309/2013/09/16/Verdwenen-Horner-miste-vanochtend-dopingcontrole.dhtml
just jim
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I concur!
Boris Bajic
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I was surprised to see him shine in the opening week and thought it a flash in the pan. With (almost) each day, I've expected to see him slip back.
Even with Nibali seemingly running out of puff and only 3 seconds to the good, I was doubting that CH would do it.
But he has. There does seem to be something slightly "Michelle de Bruin" about his late-career transformation.
If he is juiced, he is doing it well and doing it with great care. At this level, although the performance level is superhuman the increments are tiny.
I imagine that if he is microdosing (and I rather assume he is - although 'assume' is a lazy word), then he is microdosing better than the other riders who are doing so.
I do slightly resent his victory (and cannot work out why). In the past, I've only ever read about the Vuelta and it was just a news item to me, like an EU summit or a panda being born. It's been excellent viewing this year when I've caught it - and an extraordinary race on some days. The climbs and the weather have reminded me of TdF days when I was younger and first got sucked in.
It is funny how even afficionados (and casual observers like me) cannot escape the lure of dope-talk as soon as someone does better than we thought they might.
I think he was juiced, but I think Nibali was too. I think it was an excellent race too.
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smutchin
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It's a good point - we shouldn't assume Horner was the only rider in the race doing it. He was certainly the most blatant about it though. His comments in his interview at the end were bordering on a big "fark you! You won't catch me, I'm still one step ahead of you!" to the controllers. Quite depressing, really.
I think Nibali probably wasn't juiced, but I'm open to the possibility that he was. If he was, he needs to work out how to do it better so he doesn't get beaten again by someone nearly old enough to be his dad.
Tbh, I didn't enjoy it as much as last year's Vuelta, and not only because of Horner.
