Keto Diet

[Fab Foodie]

FF why do you need to eat insulin spiking carbs like whole grains, spuds etc they are of very little benefit. They don't contain nutrients the body needs if anything they are detrimental to health. Wheat isn't the crop it was hundreds of years ago, hence the problems it causes peoples guts.
When you go low carb, things like blood pressure drops, glucose drops, your body is getting the fat and cholesterol it needs.
Unfortunately, money has influenced medical interventions, that's why there are so many people taking medications for diseases that can be sorted out through diet. There is no need for grain in the diet, none whatsoever.

Nonsense.

Wholegrains provide slow release energy, dietary fibre, vitamins and proteins. Potatoes likewise including vitamin C. Grains like wheat and rice (and products thereof) and many carb root crops sustain a large percentage of the global population without obesity or the associated health issues.

Obesity is primarily a western/first world issue caused by overconsumption (of particularly refined foods) and semi-sedentary lifestyles.
Keto and other such diets are simply methods to correct or compensate for poor diets or food choices in the first place.

 

[classic33]

Nonsense.

Wholegrains provide slow release energy, dietary fibre, vitamins and proteins. Potatoes likewise including vitamin C. Grains like wheat and rice (and products thereof) and many carb root crops sustain a large percentage of the global population without obesity or the associated health issues.

Obesity is primarily a western/first world issue caused by overconsumption (of particularly refined foods) and semi-sedentary lifestyles.
Keto and other such diets sre simy methods to correct or compensate for poor diets or food choices in the first place.

The Ketogenic Diet was never meant to be a weight loss diet. It was intended to treat where medication had failed, epilepsy.

It's since been hijacked and promoted as the latest weight loss diet. It isn't.

 

[Fab Foodie]

The Ketogenic Diet was never meant to be a weight loss diet. It was intended to treat where medication had failed, epilepsy.

It's since been hijacked and promoted as the latest weight loss diet. It isn't.

At its simplest, Ketogenesis is the body’s survival mechanism when food and specifically carbohydrate is in short or non existent supply. Whilst most of the body’s cells can run on fat directly the brain cannot. The brain requires a lot of energy, really a lot, which it hoovers-up as glucose directly from the bloodstream. When there’s no carb left they switch to Ketone bodies from the breakdown of fat and supplied in the blood instead of glucose. A ketonic diet uses this near starvation adaptation of the human body.

 

[classic33]

At its simplest, Ketogenesis is the body’s survival mechanism when food and specifically carbohydrate is in short or non existent supply. Whilst most of the body’s cells can run on fat directly the brain cannot. The brain requires a lot of energy, really a lot, which it hoovers-up as glucose directly from the bloodstream. When there’s no carb left they switch to Ketone bodies from the breakdown of fat and supplied in the blood instead of glucose. A ketonic diet uses this near starvation adaptation of the human body.

Which is why I said it's one that shouldn't be started without medical advice and supervision in the first few months.

Something that was rubbished, almost straight away.

 

[The Jogger]

I'm sorry but you're wrong, you're believing the lies you've been fed (pardon the pun) over the years.
This short clip talks about the carbs you have raised in defence of carbs and explains the problem.


View: https://youtu.be/QlxPAIlElu8

 

[classic33]

I had it explained to me, by more than one person/team, with the chance to read up before trying the Ketogenic Diet.

Were they wrong in what they told me?

Unless "big pharma" has a finger in the system, they stood to loose. I went on it with an open mind, the same as I did with medication used previously, having had the chance to weigh the pro's and con's of each up. It didn't work for me, the same as many medications used. But that doesn't mean neither method won't work for someone else.

 

[fossyant]

I have a big issue here - these diets/etc are all over the "t-internet" like above... why... cash.....BLING.... nobody makes money out of eating a balanced diet. Banana man will be along shortly, oh no he wont, as he was banned.

Every week ITV have these 'diets' on TV - costing like £300 month to do... each... the TV programme needs taking off air.

You won't find nutritionalists promoting these diets. I couldn't articulate it better than Fab Foodie and he is a nutritional expert/scientist.

A keto diet would kill my T1 son quite quickly... we all need a 'balanced' diet - keto (and others) will drop a load of weight quickly, but you can't live on it long term.

 

[classic33]

On the epilepsy side, it's a maybe, when medication hasn't succeeded. No guarantee, just like medication.

This "diet" was intended as treatment for a condition, not a weight loss program. A 25 year study involving 15,000 people, found that it shortened the lifespan of those on it. Similar, smaller scale studies have returned similar results.

Check ...First do no harm for why there was renewed interest in the diet itself. The story behind it is worth a read on it's own.

 

[Bill Gates]

I'm sorry but you're wrong, you're believing the lies you've been fed (pardon the pun) over the years.
This short clip talks about the carbs you have raised in defence of carbs and explains the problem.


View: https://youtu.be/QlxPAIlElu8

How are you feeling on keto? Personally I've never felt better If you do a search for ketogenic forums it's stacked full of accounts of people getting relief for lists of conditions too numerous to mention here. So where is the downside? For me it's part of my life style to live the rest of my life with energy and good health. Less likely (much less likely) to develop cancer or a heart attack and other conditions because I'm not causing my body inflammation from eating the foods that cause it. For me it's a no brainer..
I intend to be here in 10 years and still doing my spiderman press ups and pull ups that I'm doing now. Our critics can only dream of doing stuff like that.

BTW. you have to have an open mind to watch the video clips that's why they aren't watched. I've had the same with other threads. Instead you get trolled and bullied and name called. It doesn't do the perpetrators any credit but I guess it makes them feel better.

 

[Fab Foodie]

I'm sorry but you're wrong, you're believing the lies you've been fed (pardon the pun) over the years.
This short clip talks about the carbs you have raised in defence of carbs and explains the problem.


View: https://youtu.be/QlxPAIlElu8

Thanks for the clip.
And no, I’m not wrong either.

The first words he utters are referencing his discussion in terms of type 2 diabetes -which most people don’t have.

He also states that most people who develop type 2 diabetes have had diets high in sugar (which is unhealthy) not diets high in carbohydrates. As mentioned, Carbohydrate is a very broad classification that ranges from simple sugars via dextrins, starches (of which there is a huge variety), to plant fibres, gums, pectins etc. So to simply say ‘Carbs’ instead of sugars is misleading.

Agree that cooked starchy foods break down into sugar. That a slice of bread contains X grams of sugar is no surprise either. Brown rice and brown wholemeal bread contain slightly less starch than white versions due to the insoluble fibre content and thus gram for gram break down to slightly less sugar. However, the increased fibre content of brown rice and bread does help slow the breakdown of the starch and absorption of sugars. These are important points and why brown bread for example is NOT equivalent to high sugar.

Look at the pages of Diabetes UK where the recommendations are not to avoid Carbs, but to switch to more complex and wholegrain types exactly as I’ve suggested. At no point do they suggest a Keto approach.

But that’s w.r.t type 2 Diabetes which again is very much a problem of the west/first world.

Carbs per se are not the devil, but an over-consumption of refined carbs and simple sugars is very problematic.

Again, a diet high in Carbs (but the complex varieties) has sustained and driven the growth of humans for millenia. It’s only in the last 50 years or so that ‘carbs’ as in refined/ simple sugars become an issue and that is because of overconsumption and poor dietary choices.

Eat Carbs in the form of wholegrains, beans pulses etc and you’ll be fine. Carb based foods (which are of course plant based) are the mainstay of the planet. Eating more meat (for high protein), fat or becoming Keto is not the answer either, being more vegetarian, obtaining more protein from plants probably is....

It’s much more complex than youtube clips and magazine articles suggest.

 

[The Jogger]

I have a big issue here - these diets/etc are all over the "t-internet" like above... why... cash.....BLING.... nobody makes money out of eating a balanced diet. Banana man will be along shortly, oh no he wont, as he was banned.

Every week ITV have these 'diets' on TV - costing like £300 month to do... each... the TV programme needs taking off air.

You won't find nutritionalists promoting these diets. I couldn't articulate it better than Fab Foodie and he is a nutritional expert/scientist.

A keto diet would kill my T1 son quite quickly... we all need a 'balanced' diet - keto (and others) will drop a load of weight quickly, but you can't live on it long term.

Let's take your last point first.
Nobody has suggested a T1 diabetic should go on a low carb diet, it is different to a t2 diabetic.
Nobody makes money out of people eating a low carb diet, you cut out carbs like bread, pasta, flour and most people get great results. So called balanced diets are all over the internet too that do make money, WW, SW etc.
Were as the low carb diet often reduces the need for medications, the loser here is the drug pushers as in big pharmaceuticals.

Why there is so much opposition to the LCHF diet is down to the brain washing we all received growing up. Our GPs in training get very little education on diet and nutrition. But they are quick to prescribe drugs before looking at other solutions although this is changing, let's not talk about opiates. You may try to say this is a fad diet but scientific evidence is proof that low carb eating is not.

 

[The Jogger]

How are you feeling on keto? Personally I've never felt better If you do a search for ketogenic forums it's stacked full of accounts of people getting relief for lists of conditions too numerous to mention here. So where is the downside? For me it's part of my life style to live the rest of my life with energy and good health. Less likely (much less likely) to develop cancer or a heart attack and other conditions because I'm not causing my body inflammation from eating the foods that cause it. For me it's a no brainer..
I intend to be here in 10 years and still doing my spiderman press ups and pull ups that I'm doing now. Our critics can only dream of doing stuff like that.

BTW. you have to have an open mind to watch the video clips that's why they aren't watched. I've had the same with other threads. Instead you get trolled and bullied and name called. It doesn't do the perpetrators any credit but I guess it makes them feel better.

Hi Bill
Keto lchf has been good for me, not getting the highs and lows, losing a bit of weight, blood pressure down and not taking any meds as discussed with my GP we monitor it.
Before I had lack of energy, fluctuating bp more weight than I wanted. The evidence was out there and it proved to be correct. Unlike the yoyo dieting and the cut fat rubbish still being rolled out. The government should address the sugar issues in all it's forms but they need the coffers they get from the industry.

 

[The Jogger]

Thanks for the clip.
And no, I’m not wrong either.

The first words he utters are referencing his discussion in terms of type 2 diabetes -which most people don’t have.

He also states that most people who develop type 2 diabetes have had diets high in sugar (which is unhealthy) not diets high in carbohydrates. As mentioned, Carbohydrate is a very broad classification that ranges from simple sugars via dextrins, starches (of which there is a huge variety), to plant fibres, gums, pectins etc. So to simply say ‘Carbs’ instead of sugars is misleading.

Agree that cooked starchy foods break down into sugar. That a slice of bread contains X grams of sugar is no surprise either. Brown rice and brown wholemeal bread contain slightly less starch than white versions due to the insoluble fibre content and thus gram for gram break down to slightly less sugar. However, the increased fibre content of brown rice and bread does help slow the breakdown of the starch and absorption of sugars. These are important points and why brown bread for example is NOT equivalent to high sugar.

Look at the pages of Diabetes UK where the recommendations are not to avoid Carbs, but to switch to more complex and wholegrain types exactly as I’ve suggested. At no point do they suggest a Keto approach.

But that’s w.r.t type 2 Diabetes which again is very much a problem of the west/first world.

Carbs per se are not the devil, but an over-consumption of refined carbs and simple sugars is very problematic.

Again, a diet high in Carbs (but the complex varieties) has sustained and driven the growth of humans for millenia. It’s only in the last 50 years or so that ‘carbs’ as in refined/ simple sugars become an issue and that is because of overconsumption and poor dietary choices.

Eat Carbs in the form of wholegrains, beans pulses etc and you’ll be fine. Carb based foods (which are of course plant based) are the mainstay of the planet. Eating more meat (for high protein), fat or becoming Keto is not the answer either, being more vegetarian, obtaining more protein from plants probably is....

It’s much more complex than youtube clips and magazine articles suggest.

Thanks for your detailed reply but I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this. It's not just about YouTube clips, for me personally I have done lots of research, including many books by various authors, professors, doctors etc.
IMHO there is a big change to low carb high fat eating, it's good to have an open mind when looking at this way of eating and for me whole grain, lentils etc didn't work from puy lentils, quinoa, chick peas wheaten bread, been there done that but this lchf works.

 

[BoldonLad]

I have no idea the "science" behind this diet, but....

My oldest daughter is a serial dieter, over the past 30 years she has done a pretty thorough job of trying them all... weight watchers, red/green days, etc etc etc, none of them work.

The latest, is based on this "Keto" stuff. She started about two years ago. Initially, it "worked", in that weight reduced, but, the weight did not stay off. She is now on another round of "keto dieting", ahead of her daughters wedding.

Although I say supportive things, I do not expect a successful outcome. A change of lifestyle is required. IMHO.

 

[Bill Gates]

Hi Bill
Keto lchf has been good for me, not getting the highs and lows, losing a bit of weight, blood pressure down and not taking any meds as discussed with my GP we monitor it.
Before I had lack of energy, fluctuating bp more weight than I wanted. The evidence was out there and it proved to be correct. Unlike the yoyo dieting and the cut fat rubbish still being rolled out. The government should address the sugar issues in all it's forms but they need the coffers they get from the industry.

Very pleased to hear it. It might take a few years yet. There would have to be an acknowledgement by the powers that be they had got it wrong for 40 years. You are fortunate that your GP supports you. The evidence shows that the keto diet reduces the small particle LDL part of cholesterol and that is the main cause of atherosclerosis. Yet when my wife had her blood test at our local surgery she was told that they only look at the overall levels of cholesterol these days. WTF you cannot take these people seriously. They just don't know. They have their guidelines and that's the end of it.