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Kajsa Tylen: The Billie Dovey 81 miles a day progress thread
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But in the end the record books are just going to show how many miles/kilometres cycled, not how fast it was done or how much climbing was done or how the weather was or any other irrelevant information.
Dogtrousers
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But the different records do have different regs covering various details such as drafting, etc.
Its a pretty dull subject that's been done to death already.
Aravis
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The detail that has always been missing is a proper statement of the Guinness guidelines. Kajsa has now added this to her website. I'm not sure if this is news to the forum, but I'm sure the section wasn't there last time I looked, and I've seen no mention anywhere.
http://www.ayearinthesaddle.com/#!the-guinness-guidelines/lz6y9
My main observation is that in the Q&A stuff, the Guinness responses seem to be all over the place and frequently show no comprehension of what actually lies behind some of Kajsa's questions.
Dogtrousers
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Guinness do seem to be a bit clueless. Kasja may inadvertently have made a good decision in choosing them, because no sane entrant
in future will choose them over UMCA. But obsessive discussions of rules are what makes it "complex and nuanced".
The thing about these year records is that they are such an esoteric thing, of interest to such a small audience and yet they take such a huge amount of commitment from the athletes. Steve and Kurt aren't internationally famous sportsmen. They aren't even universally famous within the world of cycling. Which is why, in this small circle, each attempt that actually completes 365 days, and even those that don't, will be remembered on its merits. There's plenty of room. This is where I can't agree with the idea that only the record holder is of significance. The small coterie of people who are "in the know" will remember Steve and Kurt's year in 2015, and Steve's heroic, and slightly bonkers, riding with a broken ankle, as well as Kurt's own "teethgrinding" efforts. Amanda's stupendous athletic performance, and her own PTSD problems will be remembered alongside Kasja's more quirky demonstration that ordinary people are capable of doing extraordinary things.
It's as about human theatre as well as just numbers. Which is why, for example, Dorando Pietri is still remembered for not winning the marathon in the 1908 Olympics.
Now, we may all have our favourites. Tastes vary. Me, I like bananas, because they have no bones.
Let's face it, if one of the top pros (male or female) put together a properly funded bid, possibly velodrome based, they would destroy anything that has been or is being done so far. It won't happen because they would lose at least two years of their racing career, for something that is utterly obscure.
in future will choose them over UMCA. But obsessive discussions of rules are what makes it "complex and nuanced".
The thing about these year records is that they are such an esoteric thing, of interest to such a small audience and yet they take such a huge amount of commitment from the athletes. Steve and Kurt aren't internationally famous sportsmen. They aren't even universally famous within the world of cycling. Which is why, in this small circle, each attempt that actually completes 365 days, and even those that don't, will be remembered on its merits. There's plenty of room. This is where I can't agree with the idea that only the record holder is of significance. The small coterie of people who are "in the know" will remember Steve and Kurt's year in 2015, and Steve's heroic, and slightly bonkers, riding with a broken ankle, as well as Kurt's own "teethgrinding" efforts. Amanda's stupendous athletic performance, and her own PTSD problems will be remembered alongside Kasja's more quirky demonstration that ordinary people are capable of doing extraordinary things.
It's as about human theatre as well as just numbers. Which is why, for example, Dorando Pietri is still remembered for not winning the marathon in the 1908 Olympics.
Now, we may all have our favourites. Tastes vary. Me, I like bananas, because they have no bones.
Let's face it, if one of the top pros (male or female) put together a properly funded bid, possibly velodrome based, they would destroy anything that has been or is being done so far. It won't happen because they would lose at least two years of their racing career, for something that is utterly obscure.
steveindenmark
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Great post Dogtrousers.
Dogtrousers
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Statistical quirk time. Kajsa is now 1,000 miles ahead of "Virtual Billie". That is, she's 1,000 miles (actually 1,010) ahead of a notional rider doing exactly 81.1 miles per day. That translates to a 12.4 day lead.
Another quirk: She's now almost exactly 4 days (actually 4.03) ahead of a virtual rider doing the 50,000km rate. That's a lead of 343 miles.
Another quirk: She's now almost exactly 4 days (actually 4.03) ahead of a virtual rider doing the 50,000km rate. That's a lead of 343 miles.
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A quick reminder of @jo from the other place wonderful graphs for the riders
You can see the graphs in more detail here
Day 31 (Amanda Coker) / Day 166 (Kajsa Tyler) / Day 11 (Alicia Searvogel):
231 miles from Amanda taking her average over the first month to just over 225 miles per day – quite a benchmark for any future challengers. Kajsa rides from Gothenburg to Onsala and back for 76 mile trip keeping her over 1000 miles ahead of Dovey pace. Alicia rides her recumbent along her usual routes for another 106 miles.
You can see the graphs in more detail here
Day 31 (Amanda Coker) / Day 166 (Kajsa Tyler) / Day 11 (Alicia Searvogel):
231 miles from Amanda taking her average over the first month to just over 225 miles per day – quite a benchmark for any future challengers. Kajsa rides from Gothenburg to Onsala and back for 76 mile trip keeping her over 1000 miles ahead of Dovey pace. Alicia rides her recumbent along her usual routes for another 106 miles.
Dogtrousers
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At the risk of sounding like a heretic, I could never understand Jo's graphs. I would nod wisely when the Kurt and Steve graphs came out but I could never figure out what they meant. That's why I started doing my own when Kajsa started. Having gone through the process of interpreting the data I now do finally understand and appreciate Jo's graphs. (I think ... but don't quiz me)
Dogtrousers
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From her latest Strava comment, it seems Kajsa will be doing Vätternrundan this weekend.
Vätternrundan (pronounced vet-turn-rund-an) is the largest recreational bicycle ride in the world. The 300 km course follows the shoreline of the beautiful Lake Vättern and early starters can see the sun set and rise over the lake during the ride.
Vätternrundan (pronounced vet-turn-rund-an) is the largest recreational bicycle ride in the world. The 300 km course follows the shoreline of the beautiful Lake Vättern and early starters can see the sun set and rise over the lake during the ride.
Dogtrousers
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jo from the other place
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Good on Kajsa. Vätternrundan is a great ride. Unlimited pickled gherkins and blueberry soup at every control. I remember the first time I did it I was shattered afterwards and that was without riding through the night, riding every day of the year beforehand and without the prospect of having to do the same for the second half of the year.
I do wonder how she got on with her no-drafting rule given the numbers of riders (20,000 of them!).
I do wonder how she got on with her no-drafting rule given the numbers of riders (20,000 of them!).
ColinJ
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At her nice, steady average speed of 15.3 km/hr there wouldn't have been any significant benefit so I would be inclined to forget about it and just enjoy the ride! (That's assuming that she didn't go a lot faster when riding and take long breaks.)
Dogtrousers
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I wondered that, but I guess they are just incidental traffic. They aren't in her employ so to speak. But second guessing the Guinness rules is a bit of a pointless exercise.
I hope she recovers OK. A few short rides may be to expected.
