brockers
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Ooh! Ta! I need some cheapish in-ears for me motorbiking!
Jogging.... help!
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Ooh! Ta! I need some cheapish in-ears for me motorbiking!
david1701
Well-Known Member
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- Bude, Cornwall
I just bought a pair of bluetooth sit on top, band round the back jobbies, looking forward to seeing how they cope with wind noise/traffic noise on the bike but they were great for running (and have to be better than my last set of buds 
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smokeysmoo
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- Bolton, not very far from Nob End
I have a pair Nokia BH-505 bluetooth earphones. They are ok for jogging/walking etc, but they are not loud enough on the bike IMHO. Bear in mind though I am a bit mutton 
I just use a pair of Sony over the ear buds on the bike. Had them for years, they were not expensive and they sound great, don't know the model as it's rubbed off them
I just use a pair of Sony over the ear buds on the bike. Had them for years, they were not expensive and they sound great, don't know the model as it's rubbed off them
OP
OP
LosingFocus
Lost it, got it again.
Lovely. I'll have to get a new battery in me watch to work out the jog/walk timings I think, as Im using the iPhone for music and Runtastic app to record the session.
Not feeling it too much this morning, just a small ache in the ball of my left foot and the very tops of my inner thighs. Going to go out on the roadie today to work it out.
Cheers all.
RE: Headphone, I've currently got some Sony "bud" ones and Sennheiser over-ear jobbies, and both dont suit exercise (the ears fall out with sweat and movement, the Sennys are too big) so looking for ones that 'grip" your ear really.
Not feeling it too much this morning, just a small ache in the ball of my left foot and the very tops of my inner thighs. Going to go out on the roadie today to work it out.
Cheers all.
RE: Headphone, I've currently got some Sony "bud" ones and Sennheiser over-ear jobbies, and both dont suit exercise (the ears fall out with sweat and movement, the Sennys are too big) so looking for ones that 'grip" your ear really.
david1701
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- Bude, Cornwall
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LosingFocus
Lost it, got it again.
Interesting, cheers.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
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- South Manchester
Ride, don't run. Simples ! 
If your using an iphone, then get yourself one of the many c25k apps.
Good luck!
Chris
GrumpyGregry
Here for rides.
I came to running for running's sake (rather than running to chase a pig's bladder, or to chase people chasing a pig's bladder) in February, having broken my knee in January last year.
couch to 5k with my local club. Easy with a cyclists heart and lungs not so easy with a cyclist's legs where the impact over-and-over is what makes you stop way before your CV fitness does. Getting from 5km to my first 10km race was harder, did it with the same club, with the same group and coaches who did the Cto5k. Mrs Greg Collins is now doing the current iteration of couch to 5km and I'm acting as a helper.
My 2p worth. Watch it when you start doing hill work. Cyclists can have short tendons and without a thorough warm-up steep hills when running can wreak havoc with your Achilles, hamstrings and lower calf. Depending on age (I'm 50) be prepared for lots of aches and pains and learn to spot what is just the results of doing an impact activity with real injury. As a bloke all I will say is gentlemen when you hurt - STOP running, you won't jog it off, it won't go away, and pain is not just weakness leaving the body; sometimes it is muscle fibre and sinews tearing.
Finally I'd say get some proper running shoes via someone who analyses your gait, i.e. no JD Sports trainers, use an HR/GPS if you like the numbers and be prepared to see a big improvement in your hill climbing ability on a bike from week 10 onwards.
couch to 5k with my local club. Easy with a cyclists heart and lungs not so easy with a cyclist's legs where the impact over-and-over is what makes you stop way before your CV fitness does. Getting from 5km to my first 10km race was harder, did it with the same club, with the same group and coaches who did the Cto5k. Mrs Greg Collins is now doing the current iteration of couch to 5km and I'm acting as a helper.
My 2p worth. Watch it when you start doing hill work. Cyclists can have short tendons and without a thorough warm-up steep hills when running can wreak havoc with your Achilles, hamstrings and lower calf. Depending on age (I'm 50) be prepared for lots of aches and pains and learn to spot what is just the results of doing an impact activity with real injury. As a bloke all I will say is gentlemen when you hurt - STOP running, you won't jog it off, it won't go away, and pain is not just weakness leaving the body; sometimes it is muscle fibre and sinews tearing.
Finally I'd say get some proper running shoes via someone who analyses your gait, i.e. no JD Sports trainers, use an HR/GPS if you like the numbers and be prepared to see a big improvement in your hill climbing ability on a bike from week 10 onwards.
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LosingFocus
Lost it, got it again.
Thanks Greg, good stuff in there.
lulubel
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- Malaga, Spain
I thought this just needed repeating. Even with a thorough warm up, running up and down hills can do a lot of damage unless you build up very, very gently over a period of months (not weeks or days). You have to be extremely patient and do a lot less than your heart and lungs are telling you you can.
david1701
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- Bude, Cornwall
wow I knew none of this, I live in a hilly area and my 5k is out the door with a very gentle climb, then a long steep descent, a flatish bit, then climbing again to level and a kinda flat run home.
Does the downhill bit upset my legs or am I ok as I'm pretty dam well warmed up before I start climbing?
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LosingFocus
Lost it, got it again.
So would you recommend walking up and down inclines until I'm more experienced/used to it? Yesterday I just ran at them and almost had my lungs in my mouth at the top. My legs are still screwed tonight, couldn't even debate getting on the bike today.
Crankarm
Guru
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- Nr Cambridge
First point before you run do not stretch cold muscles. Lay on your bed or carpet and get your hands working your lower leg muscles especially your calves and achilles tendon. As you finish each leg use a long sweeping motion up the muscle stimulating blood to leave the muscle therefore new more oxygenated to enter although you haven't done anything yet.
Yep get some good proper running shoes. Don't be taken in by some of these feckers in sports shops whether JD Sprots or SportsDirect or anywhere else that tell you they know what they are talking about as they will only be keen to sell you the shoe they have trouble shifting. And take a look at the sales assistant! Do they look as if they run 3,4,5,6, 7 or 8 miles a day. They probably look like pretty unhealthy fat feckers if truth be told. The only running they do is from the kerb where they role out their cars to the chip shop.
IME Nike offer the softest shoes which suit me and New Balance are shoes of torture but were recommended by some fat guy, and he was, in a supposedly running specific store based in Peterborough and Cambridge. It was Performance something or other. The git put me on one of those tread mills, told me it was all part of their "free service" and he supposedly "analysed" my gait. He had no doubt stacked shelves in Morrisons as his other job. I know how I run as I have been running for 30 years you bell end. I didn't want to go on a treadmill as I had never ever run on one. I knew the shoes I wanted although they didn't have any proper Nike Air Max FOR RUNNING so tried to palm me off with some crap New Balance shoes. 2 days later I took them back as I was in agony running as these items of torture had very little cushioning.
If you have any old shoes look at these to see how they have worn and this will tell you lots about how you walk and run, your gait etc. You don't need to go on one of those crappy treadmills and be filmed for the privilege. These people are bell ends. They more than likely have no formal training, accreditation or qualifications of any sort. It's just a sales/marketing ploy in a totally unregulated market.
So your best bet is to join a running or tri club as suggested above.
When you are running, start easy if poss. I know it sounds basic and probably patronising. Try and find a largish local park or playing fields and run round these. Be careful of the dog owners and their hounds wanting to chew your legs and arms or the small mountains of dog turd they leave everywhere, and the feral kids kicking footballs and chucking cans and fag ends at you. But running on grass should cushion your legs as you build up strength and stamina. It should take about 3 to 4 months of running 5 days a week. Start with about 2-3 miles gentle running then after about a month try to run the same but with interval training mixed in ie harder run for 1 minute or full on sprint for 30 seconds.
When you are running, run with your hips, ie push them forward and point your toes as your leading foot lands. Keep your knees together, similar to cycling knees close in to the top tube, as much as poss as men are naturally bandy legged compared to women who tend to be the opposite. As I say run from your hips in an easy fluid motion. Even better if you have a high back heal kick which is what natural runners have and you see in pro athletes and long distance runners.
Make use of rest days. Still do your muscle massages to break up any bad tissue and stimulate blood flow. Think of massage as a bit like defragging your computer. Only stretch muscles fully when you or they are fully warm ie after your run when you are streaming with sweat otherwise you really run the risk of pulling a muscle.
Some days only run 50% of your normal distance but run it 10-20% harder. This builds strength and is also a bit of a rest day when it is not.
If you can try to do some other excercises such as squat thrusts, press ups, crunches, sit ups, etc, immediately after the end or at the end of your run or final sprint this will improve stamina and mental strength.
As others have said "listen" to your body. Do not run through pain hoping it will go away unless you know exactly what you are doing. Stop and walk or get a lift home then massage, massage, massage and have one week's rest. If you badly pull a calf muscle or Achilles tendon you could be off for at least 3 months and it WILL be agony at first as you will not be able to walk and a long road to recovery.
But above all enjoy it. Pick your time of day then keep to it religiously as it will become something you look forward to. If you don't and it's not fun then on reflection perhaps you are not cut out for running ..........................
Running on a clear moonlit ngiht is surreal that few exeperience, almost as good as cycling by the light of the moon.
Good luck best foot forward.
Oh and have about 10-12 gulps of water before you start this will stop your mouth drying out and you becoming dehydrated if you run anything up to 1 hour.
Yep get some good proper running shoes. Don't be taken in by some of these feckers in sports shops whether JD Sprots or SportsDirect or anywhere else that tell you they know what they are talking about as they will only be keen to sell you the shoe they have trouble shifting. And take a look at the sales assistant! Do they look as if they run 3,4,5,6, 7 or 8 miles a day. They probably look like pretty unhealthy fat feckers if truth be told. The only running they do is from the kerb where they role out their cars to the chip shop.
IME Nike offer the softest shoes which suit me and New Balance are shoes of torture but were recommended by some fat guy, and he was, in a supposedly running specific store based in Peterborough and Cambridge. It was Performance something or other. The git put me on one of those tread mills, told me it was all part of their "free service" and he supposedly "analysed" my gait. He had no doubt stacked shelves in Morrisons as his other job. I know how I run as I have been running for 30 years you bell end. I didn't want to go on a treadmill as I had never ever run on one. I knew the shoes I wanted although they didn't have any proper Nike Air Max FOR RUNNING so tried to palm me off with some crap New Balance shoes. 2 days later I took them back as I was in agony running as these items of torture had very little cushioning.
If you have any old shoes look at these to see how they have worn and this will tell you lots about how you walk and run, your gait etc. You don't need to go on one of those crappy treadmills and be filmed for the privilege. These people are bell ends. They more than likely have no formal training, accreditation or qualifications of any sort. It's just a sales/marketing ploy in a totally unregulated market.
So your best bet is to join a running or tri club as suggested above.
When you are running, start easy if poss. I know it sounds basic and probably patronising. Try and find a largish local park or playing fields and run round these. Be careful of the dog owners and their hounds wanting to chew your legs and arms or the small mountains of dog turd they leave everywhere, and the feral kids kicking footballs and chucking cans and fag ends at you. But running on grass should cushion your legs as you build up strength and stamina. It should take about 3 to 4 months of running 5 days a week. Start with about 2-3 miles gentle running then after about a month try to run the same but with interval training mixed in ie harder run for 1 minute or full on sprint for 30 seconds.
When you are running, run with your hips, ie push them forward and point your toes as your leading foot lands. Keep your knees together, similar to cycling knees close in to the top tube, as much as poss as men are naturally bandy legged compared to women who tend to be the opposite. As I say run from your hips in an easy fluid motion. Even better if you have a high back heal kick which is what natural runners have and you see in pro athletes and long distance runners.
Make use of rest days. Still do your muscle massages to break up any bad tissue and stimulate blood flow. Think of massage as a bit like defragging your computer. Only stretch muscles fully when you or they are fully warm ie after your run when you are streaming with sweat otherwise you really run the risk of pulling a muscle.
Some days only run 50% of your normal distance but run it 10-20% harder. This builds strength and is also a bit of a rest day when it is not.
If you can try to do some other excercises such as squat thrusts, press ups, crunches, sit ups, etc, immediately after the end or at the end of your run or final sprint this will improve stamina and mental strength.
As others have said "listen" to your body. Do not run through pain hoping it will go away unless you know exactly what you are doing. Stop and walk or get a lift home then massage, massage, massage and have one week's rest. If you badly pull a calf muscle or Achilles tendon you could be off for at least 3 months and it WILL be agony at first as you will not be able to walk and a long road to recovery.
But above all enjoy it. Pick your time of day then keep to it religiously as it will become something you look forward to. If you don't and it's not fun then on reflection perhaps you are not cut out for running ..........................
Running on a clear moonlit ngiht is surreal that few exeperience, almost as good as cycling by the light of the moon.
Good luck best foot forward.
Oh and have about 10-12 gulps of water before you start this will stop your mouth drying out and you becoming dehydrated if you run anything up to 1 hour.
Crankarm
Guru
- Location
- Nr Cambridge
Depends what sort of gradient and for how long and the surface. Essex isn't that hilly is it???
I would start with flat or undulating routes to begin with to build up stamina, strength and technique. When you are able to run in a comfortable easy efficient rhythm then think about tackling more demanding terrain. You do not want to pull muscles. Don't forget massage. You can do a lot with either fingers and thumbs or a closed fist and knuckles pushing into tired or tense leg muscles - both lower and upper leg muscles. Once you've perfected your self massage skills, or even SWMBO has, (there are quite a lot of demos on Youtube and also the general web), during the closing stages of a hard run, you will think of nothing else, except winning or finishing, which is what I am sure PRO runners and PRO cyclists think of when their legs are on fire with pain in a race in the closing stages.
This is my 2ps worth and I hope this has been of help.
Oh, if you are running when it starts to get chilly, do wear a hat ie a fleece hat. I see so many obvious newbs running without also in t-shirts in freezing conditions. Numptees. It is so important to keep your head warm especially when windy because of the additional wind chill.
