Ivan Cameron - RIP

[tyred]

The death of a child is always sad.

 

[Landslide]

As noted by others, whilst such an event is saddening, I feel no personal attachment (and no, I don't have kids).
Whilst I was wondering about the coverage in the media, and to what extent I should feel affected by it all, I came across not only this piece, noting how Ivan may have shaped his father's views, but also this one by the same writer. Doesn't really answer my questions one way or the other, but food for thought...

 

[summerdays]

No matter how long he was with them, he will have left an enormous hole in their lives. It makes me feel very sad, but should we only be touched by things that affect us directly? And yes the same thing happens to other parents without the world knowing about it.

 

[Chuffy]

But can I just say that I'm not very sad. I'm sympathetic to the guy and can imagine his distress. He must be devastated. But it doesn't sadden me except in the most general "no man is an island" sense. And that's because I have never met any of the Camerons, and have never invested any emotion in any of them before.

It's like Arch posted on the Jade Goody thread - we cannot all have an emotional attachment to every last public figure.

Yes, well put.

 

[rich p]

It is sad for them clearly but if a close relative or friend dies it is more affecting than a 1000 people dying in a far flung foreign catastrophe.

 

[Arch]

It's like Arch posted on the Jade Goody thread - we cannot all have an emotional attachment to every last public figure.

I have to say, I feel sadder about this than Jade Goody though. And I suspect I feel it more since my nephew arrived - he may not be 'mine' but emotionally, he might as well be.

Sad to think this is the thing that Cameron and Brown share now. Puts all the 'Punch and Judy' stuff into context.

I seem to remember Nick Clegg's wife has just had or is very immentedly about to have another baby. They must have mixed feelings too. The year my nephew was born was a bad year for family and friend bereavements and a few of us felt there was some comfort to be gained in the whole 'circle of life' thing - it sounds trite when you say it, but you'll take comfort where you can...

 

[zimzum42]

I wonder why Zim posted it here. Perhaps he thought some 'lefties' would laugh or something?

I can't see that anyone would have anything except sympathy for the family. That's it really.

Then again, perhaps we all need reminding of our common humanity and that's reason enough for posting it...

I posted it here cos I tend to post everything in here, I hardly ever post in cafe. This isn't soap box anymore. Was just posting a breaking news story, wasn't trying anything on. sorry if you think that....

 

[papercorn2000]

I'll echo what Arch has said. The death of a child always seems a bit more cruel than that of an adult.

 

[Arch]

I'll echo what Arch has said. The death of a child always seems a bit more cruel than that of an adult.

I didn't used to feel like that. It used to annoy me a bit, that children seemed to be more valued in that way. Since I've become an auntie though... I suppose I can relate to it more personally.

Listening to Breakfast News just before I left this morning, they were talking to a couple who run a support group for bereaved parents, and found myself almost in tears, randomly.

But the parent child relationship runs deep whatever the age of the child. I know my boyfriend's mother probably grieves for the loss of her child as much as if he had still been a child.

 

[Mr Pig]

That's him won the next election then? Well someone had to say it.

I makes you feel sad because, as a parent, you can understand what they must be going through. Your children are about the only things in the world that you genuinely love more than yourself and it grieves you when they're not happy let alone physically hurt. I can hardly imagine how hard it would be if they died.

I'm very surprised Cameron is back at work.

 

[Andy in Sig]

That's him won the next election then? Well someone had to say it.
I makes you feel sad because, as a parent, you can understand what they must be going through. Your children are about the only things in the world that you genuinely love more than yourself and it grieves you when they're not happy let alone physically hurt. I can hardly imagine how hard it would be if they died.

I'm very surprised Cameron is back at work.

Well you've said it and I hope you feel as silly and callous as the statement itself. If there were an ounce of credence to be attached to it then the election would be hung as Gordon Brown and his wife suffered a similar loss a while ago.

Best just forget comments like that, eh?

 

[BigonaBianchi]

I find it Difficult to find words for this....

 

[Arch]

I'm very surprised Cameron is back at work.

Everyone copes in different ways. For some, trying to do something 'normal' might be the only way to get over the intial shock. I guess you don't get to be party leader without a fairly strong desire to do the job, and maybe a day at the office is a way of escaping it all.

 

[papercorn2000]

I didn't used to feel like that. It used to annoy me a bit, that children seemed to be more valued in that way. Since I've become an auntie though... I suppose I can relate to it more personally.

Listening to Breakfast News just before I left this morning, they were talking to a couple who run a support group for bereaved parents, and found myself almost in tears, randomly.

But the parent child relationship runs deep whatever the age of the child. I know my boyfriend's mother probably grieves for the loss of her child as much as if he had still been a child.

It may not be as applicable in this specific case, but I heard on the radio recently someone lamenting the loss of a child. They spoke about having lost not only the child but also the teenager and their travails, the young adult on the cusp of making their own way in the world, the college graduation, the wedding and ultimately the grandchildren. They put it in a particularly poignant way which made me feel suddenly very sad.

 

[Arch]

It may not be as applicable in this specific case, but I heard on the radio recently someone lamenting the loss of a child. They spoke about having lost not only the child but also the teenager and their travails, the young adult on the cusp of making their own way in the world, the college graduation, the wedding and ultimately the grandchildren. They put it in a particularly poignant way which made me feel suddenly very sad.