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Frood42

I know where my towel is
Maybe the twonk wasn't talking about you. Maybe there are people who work in London who have no choice but to cycle? Just a chance perhaps? But don't worry, feel free to carry on Police bashing. I bet you're the one who when you do get pulled for the "advice" stand there meekly not even able to engage in conversation with the police officer. Now where's that avatar photo I'm looking for for you.....

I am bashing this officer for making a blanket statement which gives the impression on face value in that article that only poor people ride bikes, this is clearly not true. It enforces the whole "I can afford to own a car and have right of way as I pay road tax for this car, your a freeloader" crap you get from ignorant drivers.

I am more than aware there are people who are in situations where they have to make a choice between heating the house or running a car, or choosing to ride a bike and then being able to heat the house as well. I happily grew up without double glazing and without central heating, spending nights in the front room next to a gas powered fire, I do not know if growing up we were considered to be poor, I never really thought about it like that... and I do not feel the need to say that "my parents did their best", I was happy.

I am more than aware of the unequality that is happening in London.

I have only been "pulled over" once, and that was to be asked if I wanted a free bike check and to register my bike, I kindly declined, explained my reasoning why, he wished me good day and I returned the complement.

As with all things, there are good and bad, that includes within the Police.
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Frood42

I know where my towel is
Yeah but keyboard warriors tend to get on my nerves at times like this. All how bad and stupid the police are but no practical ideas for a better way

Where did this keyboard warrior bash the Police?

I bashed this persons out of date and poorly informed opinion, an opinion that is his, but decided to share publicly, he represents our Police force and I am sorry if I expect more from those in such a respected public position... :angry:

Hows that world peace plan coming along, where you take away cycle lanes, segregated lanes and ASL's?
Meaning, those who do not like vehicular cycling or mixing with fast traffic are left out..?
I do not mind riding in traffic, and taking primary, but I am hardly the majority in that.

Lets see London go Dutch, lets see People First and Traffic Second.
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martint235

Dog on a bike
Location
Welling
I am bashing this officer for making a blanket statement which gives the impression on face value in that article that only poor people ride bikes, this is clearly not true. It enforces the whole "I can afford to own a car and have right of way as I pay road tax for this car, your a freeloader" crap you get from ignorant drivers.

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"He also expressed sympathy with Londoners who were forced to cycle because they couldn’t afford to drive or take public transport."

Where does that say all Londoners are so poor they have to cycle?

It appears all the way through this thread that you have an issue with how the police have behaved but you haven't come up with any sensible alternative.

I may be completely wrong about you. Can't say I care either way.

As to the ASLs I refer to my earlier point about them being almost exactly the same shape and size as the blind spot on your average truck.
 

Mugshot

Cracking a solo.
Maybe the twonk wasn't talking about you. Maybe there are people who work in London who have no choice but to cycle? Just a chance perhaps? But don't worry, feel free to carry on Police bashing. I bet you're the one who when you do get pulled for the "advice" stand there meekly not even able to engage in conversation with the police officer. Now where's that avatar photo I'm looking for for you.....
Yeah.....and he fell off his bike!
 

Frood42

I know where my towel is
"He also expressed sympathy with Londoners who were forced to cycle because they couldn’t afford to drive or take public transport."
Where does that say all Londoners are so poor they have to cycle?
It appears all the way through this thread that you have an issue with how the police have behaved but you haven't come up with any sensible alternative.
I may be completely wrong about you. Can't say I care either way.
As to the ASLs I refer to my earlier point about them being almost exactly the same shape and size as the blind spot on your average truck.

I assume you are referring to the feeder lanes?
Well head start traffic lights, ASL's with no feeder lanes, or trucks re-worked to have a lower position, would be my good or bad suggestions as an off the head start.

Go Dutch. I want to see London flooded with people cycling in "normal" attire, like I see in the videos about the place, I don't expect those people to have to "take the lane", especially not 5 year olds.

I want police officers that have been informed by work from scientists, cycling groups, doctors, and I want officers who ride in traffic, and have done national standards bike training, they should be out there advising cyclists.
If they were would they really be telling people to wear Hi Viz because a driver might not be wearing their glasses?

When your interaction with officers is very limited and then you read things like this, is it any wonder I come across as a keyboard warrior or as police bashing?
One cyclist, Harriet Lamb, told us in an email of her experience of being stopped by police as she rode across Vauxhall Bridge, with an officer telling her: “Hi, we’re stopping all cyclists in light of the recent cyclist fatalities, to make sure that you’re making yourselves as safe as possible. Obviously it’s great that you have lights on and are wearing a helmet, but have you considered wearing a hi-viz jacket?”
She replied: “No, I’ve got really bright lights, reflective material on my coat and my bike, and I position myself in the road so that I can be seen.”
The officer then said: “I just think that if a driver wasn’t wearing their glasses then they might not be able to see you.”
Harriett asked him: “Do you not think that a driver driving around half-blind is more the problem?”
“Well, we’re just here to talk to cyclists,” continued the officer. “We don’t know yet why so many cyclists are being killed but there are a lot of bad cyclists out there.”
“There are a lot of bad drivers too, perhaps you should talk to them as they’re the ones doing the killing.”

Or that I am unhappy that poorly informed police officers are being sent out and are giving poor advice?
It may be only one poorly informed or poorly opinionated officer, but they are police officers, and so one is enough.
Its the same with "cyclists", we don't all jump red lights, but we are marked with that same brush, wrongly or rightly, but a poorly informed officers advice could cause much more of a problem as they are in a position of power.


Back to the person I labelled a silly name, to me what he said obviously read/suggested differently to you, and we can agree to disagree on that quote, he may not have meant it in the way he said it or in a bad way, but to me personally... well you already know what I think.

He added: “It seems to me that there’s a lot of traffic and personally I wouldn’t [cycle]. But some people don’t have the choice, economically it’s not easy.”


As to whether you got me wrong or right, probably a bit of both, I have my flaws and I continue to learn...
Overly passionate, too literal, too black and white, take things too much to heart, too bull in a china shop, too opinionated, check and check... I know my flaws and will get there some day.

Thankfully this is only the internet :smooch: :rose: :thumbsup:

I shall stop digging the hole and try to restrain myself from further hurting my poor keyboard :addict: :laugh:
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stowie

Legendary Member
"He also expressed sympathy with Londoners who were forced to cycle because they couldn’t afford to drive or take public transport."

Where does that say all Londoners are so poor they have to cycle?

It appears all the way through this thread that you have an issue with how the police have behaved but you haven't come up with any sensible alternative.

I may be completely wrong about you. Can't say I care either way.

As to the ASLs I refer to my earlier point about them being almost exactly the same shape and size as the blind spot on your average truck.

The issue is that Bernard Hogan-Howe is the chief constable of the MET, a job which is part operational and part political. He sets the tone and influences the culture of the policing. Currently that tone and culture towards cycling appears to be, at best, slightly misplaced, well intentioned focus on plastic hats and yellow jackets. At worst it is utter apathy and willful obstruction. Think I am being hyperbolic? Look at the CTC report "roadjustice" and then come back to me.
 

Frood42

I know where my towel is
The issue is that Bernard Hogan-Howe is the chief constable of the MET, a job which is part operational and part political. He sets the tone and influences the culture of the policing. Currently that tone and culture towards cycling appears to be, at best, slightly misplaced, well intentioned focus on plastic hats and yellow jackets. At worst it is utter apathy and willful obstruction. Think I am being hyperbolic? Look at the CTC report "roadjustice" and then come back to me.

Yes I read that, and signed the petition (a small thing I know).

http://www.roadjustice.org.uk/sites...CTC Road Justice - the role of the police.pdf

Perhaps reading that and the case studies left me somewhat biased, especially the pieces on "Quality of road collision investigations" and "Investigations procedures".
To know they have an RDIM and its not always used was not something I wanted to read...


Do you get the LCC newsletter?
10,000 people sent emails abut the CS2.
http://lcc.org.uk/articles/london-cycling-death-toll-is-utterly-intolerable
http://lcc.org.uk/articles/london-c...emand-to-upgrade-cs2-to-continental-standards

I would really like to see crossings at Bow, as it is really horrible on foot around there.
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Rouge79

Well-Known Member
Location
London
[QUOTE 2779704, member: 1314"]Me and @clarion were cycling together towards Stockwell about a year ago, one rush-hour moring. About 50 metres in front was a parked bus. We watched as a cyclist rode into the back of it. Said cyclist then looked up in shock as though the bus had just appeared from nowhere![/quote]

I've almost done that to the back of a white van before :whistle:
 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
They're not focussing on helmets and hi-viz, they're giving general safety advice to everyone and clamping down on traffic offences when they see them. If you choose to ignore the advice, that's entirely your choice but the intention is good.
the problem is that they are doing the " do what i say not what i do " thing. the amount of PCSOs i see cycling along riding incorrectly or wiothout lights on when they should have them on and ignoring the advice they dish out is just un beleivable.
 

Rouge79

Well-Known Member
Location
London
It might.

I rely on good observation/anticipation, making eye contact with emerging drivers where possible, and always having a plan B. In my nightly commutes home, the amount of light pollution from motorvehicles all around me (in 30mph, built-up areas, so unnecessary) is so great that my silhouette is non-existent. Plus, I prefer not to be obviously a cyclist from the front, my light setup makes me look more like a small motorcycle until I'm too close. I like that because, in my experience, the earlier an emerging driver identifies me as a cyclist, the more likely he is to SMIDGAF me.





GC
PS Weren't you on Channel 5 the other night?

I found that too. When i switched over to magic shine lights cars immediately stopped pulling out on me. They obviously thought they would come off worse
 
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