Increase in seizures of illegal ebikes

[Dogtrousers]

The cat's out of the bag now though. And as long as you can completely legally buy these things "for use on private land only" (yeh right) matters will only continue to get worse.

I realise it's a question of priorities, and are illegal ebikes a higher priority than (insert your hobby-horse problem here)?

 

[Drago]

Even the use on private land only is a misdirection.

It must be private land, ie, land to which the public do not have access by payment or otherwise, and with the land owners permission.

It's not the fact that land may be privately owned that makes it legal.

 

[classic33]

The cat's out of the bag now though. And as long as you can completely legally buy these things "for use on private land only" (yeh right) matters will only continue to get worse.

I realise it's a question of priorities, and are illegal ebikes a higher priority than (insert your hobby-horse problem here)?

You can legally buy electric scooters. Where you can use it is another thing entirely.
They did the same with drones. The selling and buying is completely legal.

 

[lazybloke]

Confiscate all illegal ebikes. Release them only when fines and back-tax (vehicle excise, etc) is paid. Have a time limit of 2 months, then CRUSH.
Do the same with cars, eg driven untaxed, without MOT, etc.
Do the same with anyone who can't tell the difference between "are" instead of "our".

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Do the same with anyone who can't tell the difference between "are" instead of "our".

but how will we deliver the drugs without are bikes??
these people our just getting there priorities wrong!!!

 

[Accy cyclist]

I could've been hit, or my dog hit last night by one of these e-bikes, as I left a chip shop in town. As I was about to let my dog on his lead head out the shop before me I heard an odd noise, alerting me to hold back, then this e-bike thingy whizzed past on the pavement, about 2 feet from the shop door! I didn't see it, but the chip shop's owner saw it through the shop's window. It must've passed doing 20 mph, as I stepped out looking right to see it about 30 yards away. Imagine if it'd hit my small elderly dog, or run into my left side most likely knocking me flying. Also, there was an elderly woman in the shop, who must've been in her 80's. Imagine if she'd have stepped out and been hit!

 

[Rusty Nails]

but how will we deliver the drugs without are bikes??
these people our just getting there priorities wrong!!!

Reported to the SPPP!

 

[vickster]

Colleague of mine got knocked down by an ebike near our office the other day. Very ouchy arm and obviously shaken, fortunately X-ray didn't show a fracture. They are a menace in London!

 

[DCLane]

Police in Leeds this morning were out checking e-bikes - saw a couple being taken away. Annoyingly they chose to park a couple of police vehicles in the segregated cycle lane as part of this process.

 

[Dadam]

Police in Leeds this morning were out checking e-bikes - saw a couple being taken away. Annoyingly they chose to park a couple of police vehicles in the segregated cycle lane as part of this process.

Where was that? It's interesting because I was in the office yesterday chatting to a colleague and was talking about that very thing, prompted by seeing one of the delivery riders outside the window.

 

[DCLane]

@Dadam - they were down the bottom of Briggate.

 

[Dadam]

Outside Maccies again then, where they all congregate!

 

[Dogtrousers]

they chose to park a couple of police vehicles in the segregated cycle lane as part of this process.

We need a rolling eyes "like" emoji

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I have said this on another thread but they are the symptom not the cause. The only real reason for their proliferation are online food delivery services. If you made all delivery riders employees of said delivery companies then their use would decline almost immediately as the company would be responsible for ensuring any rider using one had the appropriate tax, licence and insurance in place. As there is no way they would want the cost of this, or any legal ramifications of an unlicensed/uninsured employee causing an accident, they would quickly ban their usage. As it stands riders are self employed, if they hit someone the delivery company just blames them as a rogue operator and (allegedly) stops using them.

 

[Alex321]

I have said this on another thread but they are the symptom not the cause. The only real reason for their proliferation are online food delivery services. If you made all delivery riders employees of said delivery companies then their use would decline almost immediately as the company would be responsible for ensuring any rider using one had the appropriate tax, licence and insurance in place. As there is no way they would want the cost of this, or any legal ramifications of an unlicensed/uninsured employee causing an accident, they would quickly ban their usage. As it stands riders are self employed, if they hit someone the delivery company just blames them as a rogue operator and (allegedly) stops using them.

Neither the riders nor the companies want them to be employees though. It would cost the delivery companies quite a bit more, having to pay PAYE and NI, plus other employment related expenses, which would probably be enough to make the services uneconomical.

While the riders prefer the flexibility of being self-employed, and of course most will not be declaring their full earnings to the taxman, if they declare anything at all.

Any legislation requiring that the delivery companies had to employ the drivers/riders carrying out the deliveries would be very hard to word in a way which would not cause massive problems in other walks of life where freelancing is common.