In an ice cold bath

[Wednesday]

The problem with these amino's is that they are quite expensive so only get used when I think that I will need them, Holland and Barratt did a 2 for price of 1 sale a few weeks back so I stocked up.

Looks like MyProtein would be a bit cheaper. Essential Amino Acid powder.

 

[gb155]

There is no way Gaz's daily allowance should be less than 2000 calories

what should it be then mate ?

 

[zacklaws]

Looks like MyProtein would be a bit cheaper. Essential Amino Acid powder.

It is'nt actually, already looked at this option, its £12.79 for 250grms which only gives just over 16 servings, maybe bulk may work out cheaper, Holland and barratts "Amino 1500" is £15.09 for 150 tablets giving 50 servings if you take 3 a day. Holland and Barratts amino liquid is slightly dearer than my protein

Amino Load is £13.75 and based on mixing it in 500ml bottles gives 20 servings, still cheaper than My Protein.

The cheapest option is when H&B have a sale, but there may be cheaper options online

 

[ColinJ]

I have a serious Ibuprofen habit. I take a couple before going running, and a couple a couple of hours afterwards.

Guys - Ibuprofen isn't something to knock back like sweets. It should be for essential use only.

A mate of mine was only minutes from death when he vomited out about 3 or 4 pints of blood from an Ibuprofen-related stomach ulcer which perforated. Fortunately for him, he managed to make a 999 call before he blacked out and an ambulance was only a couple of minutes away when he made the call.

As for daily calories Gaz - as discussed on other occasions ... looking at your current reported weight which includes your loose skin, you shouldn't be trying to lose more weight. Bearing in mind how much cycling you are doing, I reckon you should therefore be on 3,000+ calories a day!

There are online calculators into which you can plug your lean body mass and they will give you your basal metabolic rate (how much energy you burn just being alive). On top of that you have to guesstimate how much you burn doing your cycling and other activity. That would be related to your weight and the efficiency of your body. I can assure you that a man of your size doing 200 miles of cycling a week needs at least 3,000 cals a day to maintain weight; probably a lot more.

The fact that you are not taking in anywhere near that is why the weight is still falling off you, and you are now pretty much at the weight that we were worried about a few weeks ago!

SHEET, DOH AND DOUBLE DOH

I DID Mean 13st 12 Pounds

Now I know why your all so worried

We were concerned, but no need - you were actually 13-12. Phew, it was just a typo!

Ah ah! Still, if you don't stop now then in a few weeks time you will be 13-2 and then we will be back to where we thought we were, if you see what I mean!

Indeed :-)

Er, you've lost another 7 pounds since then ...

 

[fossyant]

Go with the milk. I drink a fair amount, and can quite easily knock back a pint. Adding a bit of milkshake mix is great after a ride !

 

[fossyant]

Like Colinj says - watch regular ibuprofen intake - it's nasty on the stomach.

 

[JonnyBlade]

Typing on here to take my mind off it

I've done 90 miles in the last 2 days , today's were sort of accidental but it puts me on almost 200 for the week, fully intend to taper for Sunday , would drinking milk aid recovery ?

Try this, http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_from...OUS+CHOCOLATE+DRINK&_sacat=See-All-Categories I can fully recommend it as a drink for the ride and for after. Does not need to be hot and is equally beneficial cold

 

[potsy]

There is no way Gaz's daily allowance should be less than 2000 calories

That was a conservative estimate, I don't think he even has that amount.
No wonder your weight is still dropping Gaz, definitely time to up the intake.

Are you still trying new things?
You could go full fat milk to up it even more.

 

[Fab Foodie]

To be honest guys, Amino Acid suppliments are not really required unless you're a pro-athelete, for relative mortals, milk is more than good enough, where do you think they get the AAs from?
Milk has far more to offer the body than pure Amino Acids.

 

[Wednesday]

It is'nt actually, already looked at this option, its £12.79 for 250grms which only gives just over 16 servings, maybe bulk may work out cheaper, Holland and barratts "Amino 1500" is £15.09 for 150 tablets giving 50 servings if you take 3 a day. Holland and Barratts amino liquid is slightly dearer than my protein

Amino Load is £13.75 and based on mixing it in 500ml bottles gives 20 servings, still cheaper than My Protein.

The cheapest option is when H&B have a sale, but there may be cheaper options online

I was just going by weight, since I figure they work out the recommended doses pretty much at random.

 

[gb155]

Guys - Ibuprofen isn't something to knock back like sweets. It should be for essential use only.

A mate of mine was only minutes from death when he vomited out about 3 or 4 pints of blood from an Ibuprofen-related stomach ulcer which perforated. Fortunately for him, he managed to make a 999 call before he blacked out and an ambulance was only a couple of minutes away when he made the call.

As for daily calories Gaz - as discussed on other occasions ... looking at your current reported weight which includes your loose skin, you shouldn't be trying to lose more weight. Bearing in mind how much cycling you are doing, I reckon you should therefore be on 3,000+ calories a day!

There are online calculators into which you can plug your lean body mass and they will give you your basal metabolic rate (how much energy you burn just being alive). On top of that you have to guesstimate how much you burn doing your cycling and other activity. That would be related to your weight and the efficiency of your body. I can assure you that a man of your size doing 200 miles of cycling a week needs at least 3,000 cals a day to maintain weight; probably a lot more.

The fact that you are not taking in anywhere near that is why the weight is still falling off you, and you are now pretty much at the weight that we were worried about a few weeks ago!



We were concerned, but no need - you were actually 13-12. Phew, it was just a typo!




Er, you've lost another 7 pounds since then ...

LOL

Ok, I'm dealing with it, its just so damn hard, im scared to death of gaining weight and falling down a slippery slope, but, yesterday, I had around 2700 cals, I did still lose around half a pound, but at least the loss slowed and I took much more in then normal

I'll get there, I cant not !!!!!!

 

[gb155]

Go with the milk. I drink a fair amount, and can quite easily knock back a pint. Adding a bit of milkshake mix is great after a ride !

Milkshake freaks me out

but I knocked back a pint in the morning and evening yesterday, so will do that for the rest of the week and just see hows it goes.

Gaz

 

[Rob3rt]

As for daily calories Gaz - as discussed on other occasions ... looking at your current reported weight which includes your loose skin, you shouldn't be trying to lose more weight. Bearing in mind how much cycling you are doing, I reckon you should therefore be on 3,000+ calories a day!

There are online calculators into which you can plug your lean body mass and they will give you your basal metabolic rate (how much energy you burn just being alive). On top of that you have to guesstimate how much you burn doing your cycling and other activity. That would be related to your weight and the efficiency of your body. I can assure you that a man of your size doing 200 miles of cycling a week needs at least 3,000 cals a day to maintain weight; probably a lot more.

The fact that you are not taking in anywhere near that is why the weight is still falling off you, and you are now pretty much at the weight that we were worried about a few weeks ago!

what should it be then mate ?

Like Colin says based on your height, weight and activity levels, without putting your numbers into online calculators, I would take a punt at over 3000 easily. At your height and slightly below your weight and running about 25-30 miles a week + 2 core conditioning sessions I was eating over 3500 to maintain weight. I know numbers vary from one person to another, but not by over 1500kcal!

 

[ventoux50]

Milkshake freaks me out

but I knocked back a pint in the morning and evening yesterday, so will do that for the rest of the week and just see hows it goes.

Gaz

Gaz, listen mate, I've read/followed your story through these forum pages and firstly - well done, and good luck with your progression to fitness, health and positive mental approach to life.

I have to say though that by now I'm sure you really have a good idea about whats good/bad from a diet perspective, and also from a fuelling for cycling perspective.

You obviously have the cycling bug big time, so might I suggest that it might be a really good idea to approach someone who is directly involved in coaching and sports nutrition (sports nutrition is actually no different to normal nutrition advice, just a bit more specific to your athletic needs)

With a coach/nutritionist behind you you will not just have expert advice tailored to your needs but also another source of positive reinforcement which you might need.

Theres an excellent facility in Sheffield which can provide a tailor made package to address any issues you might have and they can also provide baseline figures for current fitness and predict likely improvements over time.

have a look here :

http://www.csmapc.co.uk/

obviously theres a cost involved, but in the long term it might be money well spent.

Hope this is useful.

My own thoughts on recovery after a hard ride (for what it's worth)
definitely a cold bath immersing the legs for 15 minutes.
either SIS rego(within 20 mins of ride ending) with a bedtime SIS nocte if it's been a really hard session,
or
a high protein low carb snack within 20 mins of finishing the ride with water or tonic water (contains quinine to avoid cramps)

Keep up the good work, stay positive !

 

[Alun]

A mile of cycling will burn about 40 cals, this is an average obviously, but 200 miles would be 8000 cals which is large enough to be factored in to any calculations.

+1 for the milk though, esp chocolate milk. The long life stuff doesn't taste quite as good but can be left in the car without going off whilst you're riding.