uphillstruggler
Guru
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- Half way there
I just bought a bottom bracket but it won't go in...
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PhilDawson8270
Veteran
It's a slow day, I need some entertainmentdon't give the sexist police any ammo..........
mrandmrspoves
Middle aged bald git.
- Location
- Narfuk
It's a slow day, I need some entertainment
Irritating a skunk would be safer!
KneesUp
Guru
The statements:
a) Only men have drills and
b) Females do not have drills
are not equivalent, even if you disregard the fact that people may not identify as either male of female.
The fact that they are different can be shown by imagining that all you know about a person is that they have a drill. If you also know 'fact' A, you can deduce that the person is a man. If you know they have a drill and only know 'fact' B then you cannot deduce the gender of the person.
What were you suggesting when you asked someone if they were a man in response to them saying they didn't have a drill, by the way?
winjim
Smash the cistern
Hang on, if a person has a drill and "females do not have drills" is true, then surely that person is not female? Or do you mean that "females do not have drills" is equivalent to "some females do not have drills" but not necessarily to "all females do not have drills"?
- Location
- Glasgow
Hey, you'se leave @I like Skol alone, he's my pal.
And a man should have a drill: a woman should too, of course, I myself have one with several bits.
But, imo, if a man and a woman get together, and the man already has a drill, the woman does not need to have one, unless she already had one when she met the man.
If she had a drill, and he did not have one, but she does not know how to use it, he should know or learn: this is because she obviously can't be bothered or she would already have learned how to use it.
If neither had a drill before they got together, either can purchase one and/or learn how to use it, but a drill must be available in the household.
Clear?
themosquitoking
Guru
- Location
- Spain
Men have drills, other people with penises may exsist. Females may or may not own drills, the court has no decision to make here.
I like Skol
A Minging Manc...
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- Sunny Ashton-under-Lyne
I don't want to get all Boolean about it but IMO a man is not fully a man unless he possesses a drill and is prepared to use it.
KneesUp
Guru
It's not necessarily the case - you cannot be certain that someone with a drill is male if you only have the 'fact' "women do not have drills" - because you don't know anything about the drill-owning of anyone else - the statement 'women do not have drills' is true if no-one has a drill, and it's also true if all men have a drill, for example.
However, if you know the 'fact' "only men have drills" and someone has a drill, you know for certain that the person in question is a man.
This demonstrates that the two 'facts' are not equivalent.
KneesUp
Guru
winjim
Smash the cistern
But "no-one has a drill" can't be true because you know someone has a drill.
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User32269
Guest
I've got a brace and bit, if that helps.
I like Skol
A Minging Manc...
- Location
- Sunny Ashton-under-Lyne
You are just oozing the essence of manliness. You don't need electrical assistance, you just use raw brute strength to rip a hole through whatever material is placed before you.
Sir, I salute you
Kestevan
Last of the Summer Winos
- Location
- Holmfirth.
I'll bet he has proper manly thumbs that can change tyres too (even ruffty tuffty ones with folding beads)....
@I like Skol must be green with envy
@I like Skol must be green with envy
