That's not hard to understand or an unreasonable position pat. I assume that they generally like the place/find it useful but have concerns about some aspects of it, now or in the recent past, which, quite rightly in my view, they think it fair to express. To nudge things in the right direction.
Otherwise you are advocating that folk who criticise aspects of their society/country, should just leave.
This is a valid point you're making
@Blue Hills.
You've got me down to a tee, indeed I left a country because I didn't like most aspects of their society
Of course I'm not advocating members to leave CC country.
Elaborating a bit, I was meaning that a little grumbling from time to time is fine, a little grumbling followed by some mature, constructive, realistic suggestions of improvement is great.
While a continuous moaning over the same issues without bringing any input to the solution of the perceived problem is, to me, a waste of time.
*Ahem*
Leading by example are we?
@User has been a wee bit naughty, twisting my words by mixing up quotes of different posts of mine.
Pat "5mph" said:
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he by, some on here are perennially complaining about the forum, yet they post almost daily
You knew I was referring to the ancient feuds "she's a lefty, he's a righty, they post in the cafe, usual suspects, those others gang up, etc,"
In no way I was disparaging any current or previous forum members, you quoting the rules at me is a bit of a cheek.
This thread was steering towards serious criticism of members not here anymore to answer for themselves, one would think you of all members would appreciate the moderation before it got out of hand.
We are now back on topic, thank you all.
This thread is really interesting in highlighting how we perceive different cycling organizations according to our style of riding.
When we had our Breeze meeting and training the Glasgow Belles were reluctant to adopts the Breeze system.
All of us were already riding for transport and leisure, had done a few training courses, had initial support from Cycling UK (then CTC), some of us were leading rides with 20 participants for 50 miles along our canals.
We did not see the need of a "new protector" so to speak, their rules and regulations were a killjoy to us.
While some smaller groups from Edinburgh and from villages in the north of Scotland welcomed the extra support, the FB page to ask questions.
I agree with
@Bollo's and
@User13710's comments.
My most useful ride leader training came not from actual training, but from going on Freewheel North's led rides (a local cycling charity social enterprise).
Their leaders come from a variety of backgrounds, vary local routes according to the ability of the group, are very clued up on hazards without making you feel you're riding in the army's team lol.
