How big does a collision have to be?

[vickster]

Methinks you swear too much having watched some of your videos particularly as you are out in a public place (my apologies if you have tourettes!)

Granted that bit of driving was pretty awful but not at all uncommon especially if people don't know the road system!

 

[Rob3rt]

I think that you were too close to start with in the video at the start of this thread, then you stand in what appears to be a stupid position based on that footage, just out of the field of view.

Second video, stupid filtering (even if the driver was going straight ahead why the hell would you filter up the left as the lights go green, the driver would only have to pass you again anyway) and a crap way to conduct yourself following the event. Why didn't you ask for the drivers details etc.

Seriously... either learn to cycle or do us all a favour and stop posting these shoot videos.

 

[Matthew_T]

Why didn't you ask for the drivers details etc.

Do you honestly think she would have given them to me?

 

[Rob3rt]

Whether she would or not, you should have calmly asked for them.

If you are going to go around criticising other road users, then you ought to display good road sense and generally have a good command of what you are doing.

 

[snorri]

I am really getting frustrated with the responses the police have towards incidents like this. I f*cking hate the police.

You will hate them even more when they charge you with wasting police time by reporting incidents most of which you could have avoided by learning to cycle defensively.


Just forget about the video cam, forget about trying to sort out those you consider to have wronged you, and learn to cycle defensively and keep calm.

 

[Glover Fan]

I am really getting frustrated with the responses the police have towards incidents like this. First they say there needs to be a collision for them to investigate, then they say that as there wasnt any damage or injury, they dont care. I f*cking hate the police.

So do the police think this is acceptable?:http://s1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/monkeysnutscom/Videos/?action=view¤t=CX57ZDL-2Veryclosepasses.mp4

It's a big bad world out there and i'm sure the police have far more pressing interests, like catching robbers and murderers than dealing with an emo with an anger and attitude problem because someone has scratched his precious bicycle.

Why don't you just swallow your pride, take in the advice that has been offered out and to be honest, had you not been so young would have far less accepting just take a long hard look at yourself, and your language!!!

 

[Matthew_T]

Right, I am getting confused between 'defensive' cycling and 'agressive' cycling. Should I basically hold primary a lot more than I am going and not allow people to bully me out of the way? Or wont that just cause someone to go into me?

 

[HLaB]

Right, I am getting confused between 'defensive' cycling and 'agressive' cycling. Should I basically hold primary a lot more than I am going and not allow people to bully me out of the way? Or wont that just cause someone to go into me?

Defensive is better as you are looking after your self without too much inconvenience to others; sometimes you need to be aggressive to look after your self but sometimes its just better to read the road ahead and anticipate muppetry and avoid rather than being involved in it.

 

[Norm]

Right, I am getting confused between 'defensive' cycling and 'agressive' cycling. Should I basically hold primary a lot more than I am going and not allow people to bully me out of the way? Or wont that just cause someone to go into me?

I wouldn't recommend either.

Assertive. Be where you want to be and own that piece of tarmac. Don't get into places you don't want to be.

 

[mr Mag00]

as recommended before get a copy of cyclecraft or even a bikeability course for yourself.

 

[PK99]

Right, I am getting confused between 'defensive' cycling and 'agressive' cycling. Should I basically hold primary a lot more than I am going and not allow people to bully me out of the way? Or wont that just cause someone to go into me?

You certainly need to read the road and traffic conditions far better than you do.

One of your videos is Titled "Barges through".

In that the car reaches the cushion/pinch point well before you do and does not set himself centrally but to "his side" possibly thinking he was leaving ypou enough space plus you ignore the parking space on the let in which you could have moved to "dance past" as cars would do in that position,

The only place for the driver to have stopped earlier to allow you though was on the yellow zig-zags outside the school and close to the lollypop lady guiding kids across and for whom you were going to have to stop as soon as you passed the car.

 

[apollo179]

Right, I am getting confused between 'defensive' cycling and 'agressive' cycling. Should I basically hold primary a lot more than I am going and not allow people to bully me out of the way? Or wont that just cause someone to go into me?

We all learn by our mistakes and through experience.
Are you learning anything as you go along ??

 

[gaz]

I am really getting frustrated with the responses the police have towards incidents like this. First they say there needs to be a collision for them to investigate, then they say that as there wasnt any damage or injury, they dont care. I f*cking hate the police.

You just need to understand how the system works.

 

[CopperCyclist]

I am really getting frustrated with the responses the police have towards incidents like this. First they say there needs to be a collision for them to investigate, then they say that as there wasnt any damage or injury, they dont care. I f*cking hate the police.

So do the police think this is acceptable?:http://s1132.photobucket.com/albums/m562/monkeysnutscom/Videos/?action=view¤t=CX57ZDL-
2Veryclosepasses.mp4

The term 'collision' is probably confusing you. In policing terms it's only a 'collision' if someone was hurt, or a vehicle (bikes included) damaged.

If its not a 'collision' the driver doesn't have to provide you details, and there's little we can do. Feeling annoyed because she was laughing at you would get the same response as someone overweight complaining that some feral youth ran past and called them 'fat'. Morally it's absolutely wrong, but there's very little the police can do under the restrictions of the law. A lot of people tend to turn to us thinking we are miracle workers, that we can hear your side, prove it 100% with no element of doubt, dish out instant restorative justice of some sort, and leave you happy.

If you had been injured, the police officer would have taken the report. If you bike had been damaged the police officer would have taken the report. Neither of those things happened, which means we are effectively powerless - which he seemed to tell you at the scene.

I also not your 'I ****ing hate the police' comment, and compare it to one you gave some time ago, when the driver got out of his car and confronted you, and you stated you were very happy with the 'nice policewoman' who came over, watched the footage, discussed the matter with you and promised to go speak with him. We have to act with common sense, and we can only hope that most people understand this (which they do). However, the one thing proved time and time again is that you can never keep everyone happy, all of the time.

 

[david k]

always put yourself where you can be seen, this may be middle of the road at certain times or may be, as in this latest video well back from the traffic and wiat to move off. either way, put yourself in a safe position first, even if it means you lose time or momentum

if you keep riding as you see fit car drivers will continue to wrong you. at worse you will be in a collision, it may not be your fault but you will come off worse, i dont think your family will care if it was your fault or not, just that you are in hospital