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CXRAndy

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Tesla are on questionable ground, with an ageing product range (and even shrinking product range as some models are excluded from certain countries/markets
Tesla has a new Model S, X and 3.
New model Y comes out in a few weeks from reports
The only vehicle with limitations on availability is the Cybertruck. Which is restricted to USA officially. (Once Yanni gets his CT through Vosa IVA, we will see lots of CTs in the UK)

Model 2 is reported to be released in 2025

Their streamlined range has to be one of their best business decisions. Keeps their costs low for production. They also make small incremental changes to parts with upgrade the car
 

CXRAndy

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Lincs
Had four Nissans, superbly reliable, which is more can be said for most cars ! Our current two are aged 23 and 12 !

Nissan's were extremely popular with taxi drivers about 20 years ago, boring but reliable
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Tesla has a new Model S, X and 3.
New model Y comes out in a few weeks from reports
The only vehicle with limitations on availability is the Cybertruck. Which is restricted to USA officially. (Once Yanni gets his CT through Vosa IVA, we will see lots of CTs in the UK)

Model 2 is reported to be released in 2025

Their streamlined range has to be one of their best business decisions. Keeps their costs low for production. They also make small incremental changes to parts with upgrade the car
They've been deemed too heavy for European roads, and Musk has already said that they will not take firm orders from anyone in Europe.
 

CXRAndy

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Location
Lincs
They've been deemed too heavy for European roads, and Musk has already said that they will not take firm orders from anyone in Europe.

They fall under the 3500kg so can be used on a B licence in the UK.

They are long but not particularly wide.

YIANNI Charalambous is currently converting his Cyber truck he bought as an experiment to pass IVA. Soon we will find out if he gets it through
 
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I'm old enough to remember in the 70s or possibly early 80's when Alfa Romeo were selling the Arna, essentially a Nissan Cherry with the excellent Alfasud power train. Ironically it was rhe Nissan bit that turned put to be crap.

I can remember those Arna's they were an ugly thing .
 

cyberknight

As long as I breathe, I attack.
I'm old enough to remember in the 70s or possibly early 80's when Alfa Romeo were selling the Arna, essentially a Nissan Cherry with the excellent Alfasud power train. Ironically it was rhe Nissan bit that turned put to be crap.

A lot of car companies risk catching a cold if they don't pull their finger out. Even Tesla are on questionable ground, with an ageing product range (and even shrinking product range as some models are excluded from certain countries/markets for various reasons) and profits that are OK in isolation but are a joke when compared to vast turnover. Their value is on paper by the manner in which the business side is structured and financed, and we all know what happens to paper when things heat up.

But all might not be bad. The Chinese economy is faltering as the government find it difficult to both subsidise industry and simultaneously extract enough to spend on world power stuff like their military.

But in a way it would almost be a shame if the legacy car manufacturers, including Tesla, survive because the Chinese cock thing up. They won't learn the lesson, and jn 10 or 15 years when the next major disruptor comes along, be it a rising economy in another country, new technology, or even a war, their demise will be even swifter than the slowly drawn out agony were seeing now.

i remember even further back when they were called datsun cherry
 

Drago

Legendary Member
Tesla has a new Model S, X and 3.
New model Y comes out in a few weeks from reports

Insiders are suggesting "refreshed" is closer to the mark than new, and that they are not new clean-sheet models. The range is so old it's creaking, while Chinese manufacturers are punting out genuinely new tin while barely pausing for breath between launches.

The only vehicle with limitations on availability is the Cybertruck.

Not so.

In the UK as we speak this very minute only the 3 and Y are available to order as Tesla won't make RHD models of the S and X at the present time.

There are numerous countries around the world where certain models are unavailable for reasons ranging from local legislation through to Tesla simply not selling there for some obscure reason. It is not simply the Cybertruck that is unavailable, although we do prostrate ourselves before God in thanks that particular rancid turd can't be driven, much less soldm here or the EU for numerous reasons.
 

presta

Guru
I'm hoping they don't drag down Honda's record for reliability.

I always think Honda are more a niche manufacturer
My Accord had a bit of an image as a pensioner's car I think. God knows why, it could knock the spots off a BMW 3 series of the same year.
 

gbb

Squire
Location
Peterborough
I'm old enough to remember in the 70s or possibly early 80's when Alfa Romeo were selling the Arna, essentially a Nissan Cherry with the excellent Alfasud power train. Ironically it was rhe Nissan bit that turned put to be crap.

A lot of car companies risk catching a cold if they don't pull their finger out. Even Tesla are on questionable ground, with an ageing product range (and even shrinking product range as some models are excluded from certain countries/markets for various reasons) and profits that are OK in isolation but are a joke when compared to vast turnover. Their value is on paper by the manner in which the business side is structured and financed, and we all know what happens to paper when things heat up.

But all might not be bad. The Chinese economy is faltering as the government find it difficult to both subsidise industry and simultaneously extract enough to spend on world power stuff like their military.

But in a way it would almost be a shame if the legacy car manufacturers, including Tesla, survive because the Chinese cock thing up. They won't learn the lesson, and jn 10 or 15 years when the next major disruptor comes along, be it a rising economy in another country, new technology, or even a war, their demise will be even swifter than the slowly drawn out agony were seeing now.
Seems to me its (the slow demise of legacy car makers) a self inflicted death sentence by government's decisions to enforce what I assume are COP directives. China and the US may be laughing all the way to the bank so's to speak and.may even be driving it all. European manufacturers seem to be really struggling with it all...
 

CXRAndy

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Location
Lincs
You can also order LHD Model S and X. I have driven LHD vehicle for 15 years. It's no big deal, but I do understand some won't want LHD .

Im holding off getting a Plaid until I'm allowed an extended test drive to really try out the zero stalk features. LHD is not the factor putting me off from purchase
 
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