Holes in seat stay

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Rhythm Thief

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Location
Ross on Wye
A few months back I was at a bike jumble and was unable to resist the lure of a tatty old Holdsworth frame set for a tenner. It's quite a nice frame under the scruffy paintwork - 531 and Campag dropouts - but it has three small holes in the rear seat stay. They appear to have been put there deliberately, possibly for a dynamo mount or something similar. Can I "fix" these with metal filler and a rattle can, or do I need to be thinking of having them brazed?
 

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Paulus

Started young, and still going.
Location
Barnet,
How bizarre.
There doesn't appear to be any cracking of the stay radiating from the holes, except some scratches to the paintwork, what's left of it.
Ideally get the holes brazed, but quite possibly some sort of filler would do the job.
 

midlife

Guru
Yep, a bit odd. If its 531 the stays are quite sturdy. As above ideally get them brazed but filler will probably do.

BITD frame tubes were slotted to save a few grams of weight. The frame equivalent of drillium. Yep, the frame tubes as well as the lugs lol. Usually the chain stays and the head tube.
 
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Rhythm Thief

Rhythm Thief

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Location
Ross on Wye
Yep, a bit odd. If its 531 the stays are quite sturdy. As above ideally get them brazed but filler will probably do.

BITD frame tubes were slotted to save a few grams of weight. The frame equivalent of drillium. Yep, the frame tubes as well as the lugs lol. Usually the chain stays and the head tube.

My dad used to go out with one of the cycling clubs in Bahrain back in the early 2000s. At first, he used his old eighties Peugeot road bike, but when he upgraded he gave it to a friend. This friend promptly drilled a series of holes in the frame tubes "to make it lighter". In the brief period that it was rideable before it collapsed, it was known on club runs as "the flute" because it whistled as it was ridden.
 

Marchrider

Über Member
you would need to be careful brazing, in some steels the heat from the brazing will cause weakening through over tempering, although I believe the reynaulds 531 is one of those manganise-molysomething-or-other alloys and as such it won't have been heat treated, so could probably handle brazing much better.

is @Reynard a metalaugurist ? she might have something interesting to say on the matter
 
you would need to be careful brazing, in some steels the heat from the brazing will cause weakening through over tempering, although I believe the reynaulds 531 is one of those manganise-molysomething-or-other alloys and as such it won't have been heat treated, so could probably handle brazing much better.

is @Reynard a metalaugurist ? she might have something interesting to say on the matter

Failure of composites is where I'm at, but I've a reasonable all-round grounding in Strength of Materials. Am somewhat out of practice though, which basically means I'd have to find my old notes and texts in order to do the maths these days... :blush:

TBH, me personally, I'd want a sleeve over that at the very minimum. Dunno what's gone on there, but I wouldn't trust a lesser repair. If it's only a bike for the odd occasional ride, then a sleeve would probably be fine, but if it's a bike that will get a good bit of use, it may well be a better option to get the seat stay replaced. You're dealing with cyclic loading on the stays as your weight rock backwards and forwards while pedalling (as opposed to a static load), and as it is, it will eventually fail - you've three stress raisers AKA holes grouped close together, and cracks will propagate quickly and catastrophically between them. Especially on what is a relatively thin section of hollow metal.

I'm not au fait with brazing as such, but plugging the holes with a different metal or alloy (which will have different physical properties to steel) can also cause issues eventually, as will the heat involved during the brazing process.

@Illaveago had a similar issue with a hole in a chainstay, and got that replaced.
 

silva

Über Member
Location
Belgium
Let's drill a hole!
No centre punch needed, I've a steady hand Ma'am.
%attempts = 0
:try
inc %attempts
Hmm drill wanders off.
Let's try again.
Hmm drill wanders off.
I don't give up.
Press hard.
Aha!
Drill stays.
Yay a hole.
Oh wrong place.
IF (%attempts < 3) GOTO try
Bah I do give up.
Hmm what should I do.
Scrap metal container?
Hmm gonna first try to sell it.
And then you came to the rescue. ;)
 
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