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You're right of course. But I find it very hard to maintain the same effort on the flat as I do up a long 15-20 minute climb. Maybe I'm inherently lazy and just knock the effort down a couple of notches on the flat just because I can

Perhaps, but the effort is different anyway. For instance, 20 mins threshold up an incline is not necessarily the same as 20 mins at threshold on the flat - not in terms of the training benefit, anyway...
 

Rob3rt

Man or Moose!
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Manchester
Perhaps, but the effort is different anyway. For instance, 20 mins threshold up an incline is not necessarily the same as 20 mins at threshold on the flat - not in terms of the training benefit, anyway...

Yes it is.

(Unless you go digging for daft loopholes and extreme circumstances)
 
I didn't know that. Can you elaborate please? I assumed (it seems wrongly) that threshold is threshold

Threshold is threshold, yes, in as much as you are holding the same % effort in both cases - but up an incline, your cadence will probably be slower, your position will almost certainly be different (ie you will be climbing and probably more upright, rather than crouching low on the drops), your gearing will be different and your speed will (obviously) be lower. You need to be familiar with holding the effort in the position you can expect to be in when it counts.

So in other words, the rule of specificity applies. If your plan is to ride flat circuit races, then IMO the best way of achieving threshold workouts will be on the flat, in the position which you would normally race in at speed. If your aim is to ride at threshold up hills, then riding at threshold up an incline is certainly not a bad way to develop it. Obviously if you ride hilly events, then a combination of both makes sense.

It goes back to what you said earlier - about finding it difficult to hold the same effort on the flat as you do on climbs. I know people who can ride at a given wattage up some long climbs in the alps - but they can't hold the same power on the flat for the same duration. Anecdotally, I don't have an detailed explanation for that (other than higher speed, more resistance, etc), but it doesn't seem to be unusual.
 
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Doyleyburger

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Just off the b4333 @ColinJ
and of course it wouldn't be to a pro like yourself @Dusty Bin would it
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Just off the b4333 @ColinJ
and of course it wouldn't be to a pro like yourself @Dusty Bin

Train yourself lad - you will be flying up it... ;)

It is a tough climb though - I just meant it's not '5000ft in 500yds'...
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
Found it.

So, Chadzy's is a business not a geographical location - that explains why searching for the location didn't help!

It looks a nice little road, the kind of thing I look for round here.

I thought I had done most of our steep local lanes, but I have spotted a few that I have not done yet and will be aiming to tackle them in the Spring.
 

Jason.T

Senior Member
Chadzy's is just the local name for it - here's a link to the strava segment - it's not as bad as it is being made out, tbh...

http://app.strava.com/segments/952918
I would disagree that it's not as bad as being made out, I know I'm a novice and not the fittest but I know some seriously fit guys and one in particular who is just a machine and they all say it's a monster

I know it's not 5000ft I was exaggerating lol
 
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