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Licramite

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wiltshire
Hows the climbing going using the TT bars Licra?

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yea - don't beleive everythin you read. - though apparantly I have the wrong bars for offroad extreme hill climbing - I think I have the wrong body to!.
younger and fitter guys must be doing this,
 

Rob3rt

Man or Moose!
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Manchester
yea - don't beleive everythin you read. - though apparantly I have the wrong bars for offroad extreme hill climbing - I think I have the wrong body to!.
younger and fitter guys must be doing this,

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Younger fitter guys don't do it either, the only time people use tri bars going up hill is when the hill is not very steep, 2-3% and long, for example, Long Hill near Buxton where you are going fast enough that the aero benefit is worth sacrificing power. I'd love to see someone ride up Winnats on aerobars, lmao!
 
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Licramite

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wiltshire
I picked it up as a spin off looking into monster cross and it was on an american cycle site.
Living next door to some pritty impressive iron age hill forts on the edge of the plain I thought , well I have perfect terrain for this, slopes of 45%+ . but sadly I am to old for that lark - as I said younger guys than I must be doing it.
The aerobar thing wasn't about speed it was about position, your riding a bike at a 45%angle as I read it.
It was interesting experiment but maybe when I was younger.
 

Rob3rt

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Manchester
I picked it up as a spin off looking into monster cross and it was on an american cycle site.
Living next door to some pritty impressive iron age hill forts on the edge of the plain I thought , well I have perfect terrain for this, slopes of 45%+ . but sadly I am to old for that lark - as I said younger guys than I must be doing it.
The aerobar thing wasn't about speed it was about position, your riding a bike at a 45%angle as I read it.
It was interesting experiment but maybe when I was younger.

And as I said, younger fitter guys aren't doing it either (at least not ones with sense). I have yet to see someone ride up a steep hill on the aerobars when I have been out racing hill climbs, which oddly enough, attract people who know how to get up a hill!

If you are riding your bike up a steep hill, then on aerobars is the last place you will want to be, because you will be out of the saddle wrestling with the bike and will need a wide hand grip for leverage and control, slow speed cycling on aerobars is not stable. Additionally you will not have much control of your weight distribution which is very important on steep hills where traction can be a problem, as can the front wheel skipping around. You do NOT get out of the saddle whilst riding on aerobars!
 
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Ive heard that doing squats help witb peoples cycling.

One legged and vary the point of attack from crouching right down to mid-way up and then from mid-way up to full up.

Try introducing a load on the back as well.

That will help when pushing down on the pedals - ideally you want to introduce another few pedalling styles to keep the legs fresh for hills though.
 

Licramite

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wiltshire
well I can't disagree with you there, fortunately everytime I came off I was practicaly stationary. looking again I think they are more like tribars than . and you need special tyres on the back to.
it's a specialist loony thing to do - probably why only the yanks do it. or at least their the only ones I've read doing it.
 

Rob3rt

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Location
Manchester
Got a link to this because I honestly have no idea what you are referring too, hah.
 
One legged and vary the point of attack from crouching right down to mid-way up and then from mid-way up to full up.

Try introducing a load on the back as well.

That will help when pushing down on the pedals - ideally you want to introduce another few pedalling styles to keep the legs fresh for hills though.

One-legged exercises are ideal if you only do one-legged events. Otherwise, it makes more sense to train with as many legs as you currently have. Meanwhile, let's not worry about squats at all and focus on riding our bikes, eh?
 

Rob3rt

Man or Moose!
Location
Manchester
I also do not know any climbers who spend time doing squats, that is not to say they don't but... not something I have come across.

Might not be a bad idea for general health reasons though and provided that you do it at a time that allows full recovery before cycling so that it does not negatively effect on the bike training sessions, then why not.
 
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Younger fitter guys don't do it either, the only time people use tri bars going up hill is when the hill is not very steep, 2-3% and long, for example, Long Hill near Buxton where you are going fast enough that the aero benefit is worth sacrificing power. I'd love to see someone ride up Winnats on aerobars, lmao!

If you've got a strong wind in your face it may work but I'd rather hunker down on the normal bars. A bit of a change in wind direction and a strong cross wind on an exposed hill and I wouldn't want to be on tri bars!
 

Rob3rt

Man or Moose!
Location
Manchester
If you've got a strong wind in your face it may work but I'd rather hunker down on the normal bars. A bit of a change in wind direction and a strong cross wind on an exposed hill and I wouldn't want to be on tri bars!

Even with a headwind you wouldnt want to be on aero bars on a steep hill. Only something that is a few %.
 

VamP

Banned
Location
Cambs
This is a good representation of how quickly aero factors diminish in significance on hills. Nearly 50% on just 2% incline, that's not even a hill!

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