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Brand X

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Twaddle less cals in more cals out = weight loss, doesn't matter what it is. eat the same burn more cals you lose weight, however many eat more cals than they burn, I rode 28 days last month with an average estimated 525cals a day or a tad over 22,000 for the month (from the gps unit which I know reads high so 2/3rds of it to give approx 40cals a mile), this would give a fat weight lose of (approx 25% of cals used) 5,500 cals or 1 1/2lb of fat which would be about right I guess, but as you say its nothing great, but so long as you keep an eye on the cals in over a year this would easily be 1 to 1 1/2 st, by the way it equates to about 350 miles, which is why many starting out don't seem to see the benefit from cycling regarding weight lose as many new cyclist will not be doing that sort of distance in a short time last month I did 557 miles so you can deduce 1.5lb of fat /557miles = 1/25th of an oz every mile, no real scientific bases as figures are a bit subjective but does hold up to some degree from my weights and observations.

But what did you do for the rest of the day? By natural design, the last thing any animal will do is waste calories; all animals including us will naturally laze around unless we have to seek food and shelter, and even top athletes after they are done training don't go home and get stuck into some DIY, they hit the sofa

Burning 500+ calories a day as you are is impressive to me - I wish I was that active - and you must be pretty fit and strong, but 500 calories equals a sandwich. You burn at least 70% of your calories at a state of rest (even when you're sleeping) and another 20-30% from ordinary daily activities. I don't have the answers, if I did I wouldn't still be trying to lose 20 pounds, but I think the answer may lie in a holistic approach of finding the right balance of good eating and good exercise and general healthy living. I think cycling can be a good way to exercise if you enjoy cycling and you're not just trying to force yourself to enjoy it, because then you look forward to going for a ride.
 

Lee_M

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I haven't changed my diet and still eat too much crap, but lost a stone and a half through cycling, so yes exercise can help you lose weight.
 
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@Brand X or 10 mars bars or 5 packets or so of crisps, that a 500 over the normal amount of 2-2500 cals needed a day, I lost nearly a stone over Aug and I wasn't trying, I was actually more concerned with the rate of loss.
@Lee_M if nothing else has changed and you were not already positive on the calorie count, you will lose weight more calories needed for the cycling but its measured more in hundreds of miles rather than a few tens of miles and this is what many get wrong coming to cycling to lose weight plus it is f'ing hard to start with.
 

bozmandb9

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ive brought the bike ridden it once it crippled me I'm 24 stone and desperate to lose weight I look at the bike daily but have the confidence to ride it!! Thinking I'm to overweight I need the focus guys any good advice

Steve, could you clarify in what way it crippled you? It may be something about the bike, the way it's set up, or the way you were riding it, that made it more difficult/ painful. It may be worth taking it back to where you bought it to get some advice.

Once you're sure it's set up correctly, and you're riding it correctly, as others have said, just build up gradually, and start with small, but regular steps. You're certainly not too overweight. Check out the link below, and read about a cyclist who started off cycling at 39 stone, and reduced his weight to 13 stone. He was also plagued by medical issues, so it was not easy for him, but he did it, and you can too!

https://theamazing39stonecyclist.wordpress.com/
 

Lee_M

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@Brand X or 10 mars bars or 5 packets or so of crisps, that a 500 over the normal amount of 2-2500 cals needed a day, I lost nearly a stone over Aug and I wasn't trying, I was actually more concerned with the rate of loss.
@Lee_M if nothing else has changed and you were not already positive on the calorie count, you will lose weight more calories needed for the cycling but its measured more in hundreds of miles rather than a few tens of miles and this is what many get wrong coming to cycling to lose weight plus it is f'ing hard to start with.
dont disagree, I generally try and get 100 miles in per week (more would be nice but not practical)
 

Brand X

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Steve, could you clarify in what way it crippled you? It may be something about the bike, the way it's set up, or the way you were riding it, that made it more difficult/ painful. It may be worth taking it back to where you bought it to get some advice.

Once you're sure it's set up correctly, and you're riding it correctly, as others have said, just build up gradually, and start with small, but regular steps. You're certainly not too overweight. Check out the link below, and read about a cyclist who started off cycling at 39 stone, and reduced his weight to 13 stone. He was also plagued by medical issues, so it was not easy for him, but he did it, and you can too!

https://theamazing39stonecyclist.wordpress.com/

I agree, I think it's important for any rider that the bike be set up properly, and be a good fit and I would imagine it's even more important for a guy who is carrying a lot of excess weight.
 

Alan O

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Hi folks, I'm new to the forum (and I'm returning to cycling after a 20-year break). I'm also overweight and trying to lose some of it, so I thought I'd offer a few (rambling) thoughts.

The standard advice on losing weight seems to be to work out your maintenance calorie intake and keep your daily consumption to 500 cals lower than that, and that should lead to a loss of around 0.5kg per week. Does it matter if you do that by eating less or exercising more? Not a bit - 500 cals less by reduced eating or 500 cals extra burned by exercise produce exactly the same result (other things being equal), which is 500 cals worth of your body stores used up.

Which is the best approach? That will depend on the individual - a friend of mine has lost around 60kg over the last two years by diet alone.

But I've tried losing weight by diet alone multiple times and have always failed. I've always reached a point after a few weeks where I feel constantly hungry (even at just that 500 cals per day reduction), and I just can't keep it up - I can't concentrate on my work, for one thing.

With exercise, things are different, and since my return to cycling I've dropped from 98kg to 91.5kg in 12 weeks. The critical difference is that I haven't had the hunger pangs even though I'm watching what I eat (but not calorie counting - lovely vanilla cheesecake last night ;-). On diet alone, I'd almost be chewing at the carpets by this stage.

For me, I think it's largely psychological. And psychology is a big thing when it comes to weight loss and fitness. It's far easier to achieve targets when you're enjoying something and feeling good about it than when it's a chore and making you feel bad.

My cycling is only very modest at this stage too - an hour a couple of times a week, covering around 10 miles (though I'm doing a lot of walking too). But it makes me feel great - for the remainder of the day I *feel* leaner and fitter, regardless of any physical change, and that's far better than just sitting in front of the telly feeling hungry and trying not to think about the freezer.

As for how hard it can be to get started, tell me about it! I live near a park with a road circumference of 1.4 miles, and one of my exercises is doing circuits of it. There's one uphill section, and the first time I went out I had to stop part way up for a breather each time round, and then again at the top, and I only managed a couple of circuits. Last week I did 10 miles of circuits non-stop.

So I'm with those who say do a little each time, and let it build up slowly - it's amazing how quickly it gets better and more enjoyable. And exercise is a lot more satisfying than dieting!

Cheers,
Alan
 
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@Alan O Its not quite so straight forward (though some debate about this), to lose body fat you need to burn 4x the amount of cals (according to average figures from my bryton) a ride say burns 1,000 cals according to the bryton web site using a HRM 25% is fat 75% is carbs so thats 250 cals fat.
The 3,500 cals to lose 1lb of weight is a bit miss leading as it 3,500 cals of fat thats need to be burnt, so your 500cals a day deficit (3,500cals per week 1lb in weight) so from my own figures that would be only 875 fat cals per week or 4oz (100grms),
I did work it out to be about 350 miles of riding to lose 1lb, however its hardly very scientific just observations from my data which is possibly flawed somewhere.
 

Bluebug

New Member
@Nigelnaturist your calculations are for the "average" human. There is no average human. (The physiology text books I studied from used the 70kg man who was 5ft 8" as the "average" human being which isn't useful for me for a number of reasons.) What people who lose weight find is what works for them doesn't work for other people due to age, height, sex and genetics. The generic advice of being mindful of what you eat especially avoiding process food and to do exercise which builds muscle works for most people. The other things that work are depend on that particular individual which is what @Alan O is saying.
 

greekonabike

President of the 'Democratic Republic' of GOAB
Location
Kent
Hello Steve,

In June this year I was admitted to hospital and kept in for a few days. On my discharge letter it stated they got unsatisfactory results from some scans due to my high bmi. I'm 5ft 6 (and a half) and at the time I weighed 19st.

I kept on eating my usual diet (crap) and gained a bit more weight. By chance I ended up helping a friend with a large landscaping project for a couple of months. The job came with food and board and I was out digging or swinging a pick axe most days. I've not long returned home and have lost over two stone.

I'm still struggling to get any decent distances in on the bike but I'm building it up steadily. I'm still overweight and a smoker but I'm slowly changing my diet and lifestyle. It's definitely possible. Wish you all the best.

GOAB
 

bikeman66

Senior Member
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Isle of Wight
Hello Steve,

In June this year I was admitted to hospital and kept in for a few days. On my discharge letter it stated they got unsatisfactory results from some scans due to my high bmi. I'm 5ft 6 (and a half) and at the time I weighed 19st.

I kept on eating my usual diet (crap) and gained a bit more weight. By chance I ended up helping a friend with a large landscaping project for a couple of months. The job came with food and board and I was out digging or swinging a pick axe most days. I've not long returned home and have lost over two stone.

I'm still struggling to get any decent distances in on the bike but I'm building it up steadily. I'm still overweight and a smoker but I'm slowly changing my diet and lifestyle. It's definitely possible. Wish you all the best.

GOAB

Brilliant!

Top effort matey. Keep going!
 

greekonabike

President of the 'Democratic Republic' of GOAB
Location
Kent
Brilliant!

Top effort matey. Keep going!

Cheers mate, my theory is if I can do it anyone can. Three months back my evening meal would consist of the entire ginsters range followed up with a tub of ben and jerrys. Once I figured out I enjoyed healthier foods it all started falling into place.

GOAB
 
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@Nigelnaturist your calculations are for the "average" human. There is no average human. (The physiology text books I studied from used the 70kg man who was 5ft 8" as the "average" human being which isn't useful for me for a number of reasons.) What people who lose weight find is what works for them doesn't work for other people due to age, height, sex and genetics. The generic advice of being mindful of what you eat especially avoiding process food and to do exercise which builds muscle works for most people. The other things that work are depend on that particular individual which is what @Alan O is saying.
The fact remains that burning 3,500 cal does not equate to 1lb of weight loss which is totted as the average it is a percentage of that and as you point out, generally the fitter you are the easier it is to lose/keep weight off than if your unfit, weight as such would not have effect on that
My own conclusions are from my own data.
 
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