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e-rider

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its the feel of them on uneven ground - the rims are slightly wider at 23mm and with 25mm tyres they sit a lot flatter and squarer on the rim, so ride very nice indeed. they say they ride very close to a tubular tyre in feel, but having never rode a tubular tyre i cant really compare

Velocity say:

The idea behind a 23mm wide rim is that when paired with a 23c tyre, the internal width of the rim clinches the beads just right so that the tyre profile is very similar to that of a tubular rim. All ‘techno-jargon’ a side, it’s pretty much a “Clinchular” set-up. You get all the benifits of a tubular ( super smooth ride with low rolling resistance) with the convenience of a clincher.

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The theory behind 23mm wide rims rather than 21mm wide rims is that they support 23c tyres better. Traditionally the advice was that if you had a rim as wide as this, 23c would be the minium tyre size to run on it. However, the market is moving towards wider rims. Measuring the external diameter of a rim is in some respects unhelpful, as the tyre is hooked on internally. Traditionally road rims were 13mm or 13.5mm internal. That allows from 18-28c comfortably. Internal measures of rims in relation to external measures vary depending on the profile of the rim and thickness of the sidewall. My best guess is that this runs a 16mm internal which is virtually touring width. However, this must not be mistaken for a touring rim. It is a road weight and road strength.

Running this rim with a 23c tyre is perhaps a little slim and unlikely to feel exactly like a tubular. However running this rim with a 25c tyre will make for a fast but particularly comfortable wheelset. The mid section profile of the rim also retains reasonable stiffness.

I used to ride tubs all the time many years ago - I never noticed any difference to good quality clinchers. There is talk all over the cycle industry about how some stuff feels different to other things blah blah blah. In reality, non of these cycling 'journalists' can actually notice any difference, they just spew the marketing bullshit back up, which in turn everyone down the club repeats on the Sunday morning club run or mid-week TT.
 

jowwy

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I used to ride tubs all the time many years ago - I never noticed any difference to good quality clinchers. There is talk all over the cycle industry about how some stuff feels different to other things blah blah blah. In reality, non of these cycling 'journalists' can actually notice any difference, they just spew the marketing bulls*** back up, which in turn everyone down the club repeats on the Sunday morning club run or mid-week TT.
That quote came from velocity themselves, no journalist involved. But as ive ridden the wheels i think they are pretty damn comfortable and very plush to ride. Especially on welsh roads which are not the best.

No journalist was hurt during this post.
 

Spoked Wheels

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Ultegra hubs are probably worth the extra cash. The 105-5600 were okay for the money, but the 105-5700 are a real step down in quality. You could consider Hope Pro 3 hubs for not much more than Ultegra, but still much less than Dura-Ace or Chris King

There's a tendency for newer components to be "not as good" as some previous versions. Some Campagnolo Shifters come to mind.

I agree with your recommendation of Hope Pro 3 hubs, but Hope Pro recommendations should come with a noise warning :laugh: - I know that all cartridge hubs are a bit noisy but Hope Pro are more than just a bit and for that reason alone I would never consider them for myself, and I know how good they are. For some people noisy hubs is a "No No" for others the noise doesn't matter.
 

Mickthemove

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i have just taken receipt of a pair of Charcoal Archetype Rims, with Ultegra 10/11 speed hubs, aero double butted spokes with black nipples and they are the dogs danglies in my rose tinted world! 340 ish in Manchester from Dave at MCRrevolve, proper bike guy who goes the extra yard!
 
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Buzzinonbikes

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Thanks all for your input. I have been leaning towards the CXP33. I have used Dave at RevolveMCR for a true in the past, thoroughly a top bloke. And yes, I am hoping to go to Wills Wheels for these. Loads of recommendations from fellow club riders and they were spot on when replacing a spoke on the aforementioned stock set (a sly little tester for them of mine :thumbsup:).

On my commuter/winter trainer I have Tiagra hubs laced to Open Sport rims and these have been OK. The hubs run lovely but the rim has been a bit delicate. I suspect this is due to a poor build from an online retailer however so when they go will probably have the hub rebuilt on something similar to what I'm looking at now.

They are 32F and 36R for battering about hassle free riding. Ultegra hubs are showing up as 32/36 spoke holes, is this right? Was hoping to drop the spoke count a bit from my winter bike with maybe 28F 32R??
 
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Buzzinonbikes

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32 all round it is then
 

Fab Foodie

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Kirton, Devon.
i have just taken receipt of a pair of Charcoal Archetype Rims, with Ultegra 10/11 speed hubs, aero double butted spokes with black nipples and they are the dogs danglies in my rose tinted world! 340 ish in Manchester from Dave at MCRrevolve, proper bike guy who goes the extra yard!
Pictures pretty pleeze!!!!
 

e-rider

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There's a tendency for newer components to be "not as good" as some previous versions. Some Campagnolo Shifters come to mind.

I agree with your recommendation of Hope Pro 3 hubs, but Hope Pro recommendations should come with a noise warning :laugh: - I know that all cartridge hubs are a bit noisy but Hope Pro are more than just a bit and for that reason alone I would never consider them for myself, and I know how good they are. For some people noisy hubs is a "No No" for others the noise doesn't matter.
I was worried about the noise myself. Perhaps they just sound different on your own bike, but mine don't seem to annoy me at all, even though I'd been annoyed hearing other people with them in the past!
 

Judderz

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I bought CXP33 rims on 105 hubs around 12 months ago, excellent wheel. Always stayed true, and I'm on the heavier side at 18st. I paid £220 (IIRC) for a pair from Geoff Smiths in Bolton.
I couldn't use factory wheels (Fulcrums especially) as they have a weight limit of 17st.

My winter bike has Shimano R500's on, and has done for 2 years with never a problem.

If you go down the handbuilt route, they are only as good as the person making them.
 
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Buzzinonbikes

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REALLY fancy something other than Mavic rims now. Maybe something a bit different like the H Plus Son Archetype or some Ambrosios which have both been getting very good reviews.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
REALLY fancy something other than Mavic rims now. Maybe something a bit different like the H Plus Son Archetype or some Ambrosios which have both been getting very good reviews.
I have velocity a23's they are nice with offset rear rim too
 
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