Good Fortune!

[gb155]

As others have said :

Get it back to them before they come looking & they will

 

[Cubist]

Tell you what, save everybody a heap of bother and just ride it through Preston. They'll love you.

 

[CopperCyclist]

Bullshit.

How can anyone possibly mitigate this? He was greedy, dishonest, and has now had a pang of conscience. I am really, really surprised at your suggestion Coppercyclist that he should leave it to the store to make contact and put the situation right.

Read my post again. I told him to contact the suppliers, tell them what had happened and ask them to make contact with him. The only 'waiting' I suggested was after he sent that contact, which I recommended he did in a recordable format.

 

[Cubist]

You need to contact the Specialized Store - I'd suggest by email so that you have a record of it, explain what happened. Also explain you've contacted the LBS - though don't mention the conversation with them - and ask them to contact you to sort it out. Don't suggest anything, leave that to them - it was their mistake.

If they don't bother contacting you, then you are up a bike and have a weak defence to theft (although I stress again, you WERE guilty when you paid the fifteen pound to have it delivered). Use it, but be aware that at any point later down the line if they realise their mistake and want it back, it's legally theirs.

No, this is what you typed. The bits in bold are what really worry me. Re-read his OP and see that it was NOT their mistake. He actually rang them and paid the delivery charge knowing that the bike was not his. That was sufficient actus reus (given his intent) to make out the dishonesty aspect of the theft.

He has no defence to the theft at all. All the elements are made out, and he has made a full admission on this site.

You are suggesting that if he is careful enough he may get away with a new bike as well as the offence itself. From someone in your position that doesn't make me very comfortable.

 

[apollo179]

He's done nothing of the sort
he's committed theft.

Sections 1-7 of teh theft act:
Where a person (Misura)
Dishonestly (dishonesty is defined as what any reasonable person deems to be dishonest)
Appropriates (arranges for it to be delivered)
Property (the bike)
Belonging to another (it isn't his, he knows it isn't)
with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it. (he hopes that they don't realise their mistake and will not ask for it so he can keep it)

The offence is made out Misura. Ring the supplier at the next opportunity and tell them.

I hate thieves. I'm willing to forgive or at least mitigate people who steal for reasons of want (skint and hungry ) but not greed. Your attitude stinks.

So does yours Apollo.

No excuses.

Oh do shut up cubist.
Its wrong etc etc and mine and Misuras attitude may not be 100% perfect but i find your attitude of vindictive judgemental intolerant hate far more worrying than what Misura describes. Be particularly worring if you were in the police (god forbid).
People like you give law adibing decent people a bad name - literally.

 

[Cubist]

Oh do shut up cubist.
Its wrong etc etc and mine and Misuras attitude may not be 100% perfect but i find your attitude of vindictive judgemental intolerant hate far more worrying than what Misura describes. Be particularly worring if you were in the police (god forbid).
People like you give law adibing decent people a bad name - literally.

I am a police officer. I do not have an attitude of vindictive hate. I hate people who think it's OK to steal from others.

You have given a person who has committed theft advice which simply compounds their dishonesty. You are as bad as they are.

Your reply is completely indefensible, both legally and morally.

 

[apollo179]

I am a police officer.

You stupid twat.

Oh dear.
Your continued abuse laden replies say it all.
Other good police officers (the majority) must wince every time you post.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Can't believe that anything other than A) was contemplated by the original poster. Shame on him and anyone else who thinks he's done the right thing.

 

[Cubist]

You managed to snatch the stupid twat bit well didn't you!


I felt it wasn't necessarily very clever of you to miss the point I was a police officer from the 4,158 posts I have made on this forum, none of which have ever been designed to cover up what I do for a living.

In fact, yes you're right. I should have left that bit in.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

You done the decent thing there - now just leave it boxed up and sit tight for 6 months. If they take it back fine - if they dont its yours.
Simples.

Other good police officers (the majority) must wince every time you post.

When it comes to being a good citizen where do you fit in as you condone theft?

 

[Cubist]

OK Apollo, now I've taken a deep breath, tell me why you think what he has done was right.


Explain on here why I should have given advice to keep the bike.

Explain why the fact I hate thieves is wrong.

Explain why the fact I hate theft makes me a bad person.

Intolerant? Why should any of us be expected to tolerate crime?

 

[Leilei]

I can't believe that something that could and should have been answered with a simple reply of option A has gone to so many posts.

 

[CopperCyclist]

No, don't tell Cubist to shut up, I fully respect where he's coming from and he's exactly right. The offence of theft was made out, and any subsequent act isn't a defence (though it is mitigation).

I was posting purely based on exactly how I'd deal with this at work. If someone came through the door saying "Look, I've done this, I realise I've done wrong, how do I fix it" then I would have told them

1. You committed theft, quick bollocking and warning of the possible consequences
2. I'd then PERSONALLY contact the suppliers and tell them what had happened, that the offender was more than willing to sort it out and return the bike, and pass his details to them. If they couldn't be arsed to act, then that's not my problem, if they can, they get their bike back.

I'd then leave it to the two of them. I'd also point out this is well within Home Office Crime Recording practices, as we'd currently have an offender admitting a crime, but no victim making a complaint. If the company stated they weren't happy and the wished to make a formal complaint, then depending on any previous convictions I really wouldn't be looking to go further than a resolution to return the bike and make a donation to charity.

Obviously on the forum I'm not going to do the personal bit, so I suggested he do it.

However, to others I stress again, Cubist isn't wrong at all and doesn't deserve any insults or criticism. I could be open to some for suggesting its possible that he could keep the bike after being blatantly dishonest, but this turn of events would only happen my way after the company have realised that the are down a X hundred pound bike, know where it is, now how to get it back, and yet decide not to.

 

[Andrew_P]

I am amazed if this were true, only a complete fool would come and post that they were a theiving turd on a public forum

 

[apollo179]

You managed to snatch the stupid twat bit well didn't you!


I felt it wasn't necessarily very clever of you to miss the point I was a police officer from the 4,158 posts I have made on this forum, none of which have ever been designed to cover up what I do for a living.

In fact, yes you're right. I should have left that bit in.

I give you credit for at least having the mental capacity to realise the foolishness of your abusive posting in hindsight and editing it.
Do you display the same impetuous abusive nature in your job ?