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Getting a bit off topic here.
Getting a bit off topic here.
I think giant have been squashed out the market in the west tbh.
Not a posh brand like spez, Cannondale, trek, cervelo, pinerrello, etc.
But being undercut by Canyon, Ribble, rose, boardman, etc
A bit like ford and vauxhall not a premium brand but not bargain like Skoda, Seat, Dacia, MG etc ..
Did Giant sponsor a top-flight race team recently? Those you mention did IIRC.
Giant were certainly the equals of Cannondale, Specialised and Trek at one time....
Here's another 'posh' brand that isn't doing too well:
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£34m in the red I believe.
Yes they sponsored or co-sponsored what is now jumbo visma.
Was rabobank, belkin , Argos Shimano and giant at various times.
On phone so excuse lack of caps
Thanks! Hadn't noticed...they did well this year so Giant can't blame a lack of winningness!
Interesting thread. I'd not have expected to see this issue afflicting apparently the world's largest cycle manufacturer, and it obviously has concerning connotations for the rest of the industry too.
I think unfortunately it's an especially perfect storm for bike manufacturers as I imagine their sales are suffering thanks to massive trade during Covid and a resultant saturated used market now. On top of this we have the wider economic situation which will reduce discretionary spending and potentially make a used bike an even more appealing choice with their prices falling and new stuff going the other way.
Tbh I have limited sympathy for the industry as a whole as it seems ruled by cynical marketing and ever-greater attempts to curtail the lifespan / servicability of their products.. and (while I know I'm not typical) the mainstream bike industry offers very little that appeals to me. I'm no fan of the opacity of the supply chain either; with companies using their reputation as leverage to push prices higher for stuff that mostly comes out of the same factories in the far east, for probably not a huge amount of money (and often it seems with questionable quality control).
It will be interesting to see how the Ribble situation pans out - personally I've never really liked the company (more badge-engineered eastern stuff pushed under some fluffy insinuations about being British) and I wonder if they've used the Covid boom to get a good price from whichever scummy PE company swallowed them up, and have now left them holding the bag in the inevitable post-Covid vacuum (fair play if so).
Just had a quick look at used Giant Defy bikes (their entry-level model) and there are plenty on ebay that have sold for £50-100; obviously not high-end, newer examples.. but still, perfectly serviceable bikes that would have been ballpark £400-600 when new. By contrast I sold my Giant OCR (forerunner to the Defy) during lockdown for a ton; admittedly with a few nicer bits on it but with a cracked, essentially scrap frame.
It seems that the prices of higher-end gear are a bit more stubborn, which I guess figures if a lot of what's up for sale was bought by more casual riders on the promise of a summer of cycling in 2020.
May I ask, and I'm not trying to be clever with this question, do you hold the same views on a wide range of multinational companies or brands who do exactly the same for an enormous range of widely varying products?
Western consumers tend to demand low prices and buy from the cheapest possible source for virtually everything. We know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Quite possibly if consumers were prepared to pay more realistic prices we would have many exciting and profitable manufacturers in Europe and the UK?
I feel criticism of the cycling industry for following the same path is unfair, especially when so many cyclists look for the lowest possible prices online rather than supporting an LBS?
Please understand I'm only highlighting your post because it raises the question in my mind. Don't see this as a criticism of your view.
I read it as criticism of the cycling industry only because we are discussing the cycle industry.
I would echo your view as somebody working in Bigco where the situation is much the same, trying to extract every last cent of margin by any route available. Our suppliers and customers are all playing the same game.....
Going local certainly helps, but much the same is happening there on a smaller and less obvious (or cynical) scale as times toughen.
May I ask, and I'm not trying to be clever with this question, do you hold the same views on a wide range of multinational companies or brands who do exactly the same for an enormous range of widely varying products?
Western consumers tend to demand low prices and buy from the cheapest possible source for virtually everything. We know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Quite possibly if consumers were prepared to pay more realistic prices we would have many exciting and profitable manufacturers in Europe and the UK?
I feel criticism of the cycling industry for following the same path is unfair, especially when so many cyclists look for the lowest possible prices online rather than supporting an LBS?
Please understand I'm only highlighting your post because it raises the question in my mind. Don't see this as a criticism of your view.
I went to the Condor shop in London,
But it was just a flight of fancy.