Gear Cable failure - on the road

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andrew_s

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or ride without a back brake, moving brake cable if necessary.
Moving a rear brake cable to the front without access to good cutters is difficult.
You would have to thread the previously clamped inner through the front outer, and on drop bars you would very likely have to remove the bar tape to get the inner started in the outer
 

mjr

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Moving a rear brake cable to the front without access to good cutters is difficult.
You would have to thread the previously clamped inner through the front outer, and on drop bars you would very likely have to remove the bar tape to get the inner started in the outer
Only if you're daft enough to have your outers under the bar tape... ;)
 
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Ajax Bay

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Yes, gear cables don't just break. They have to have been abused, neglected or bent and re-bent too many times in order to break. A good quality bike will have equipment that takes the tension from the cable without subjecting it to bending. If a cable frays at a fitting, the fitting has been over-tightened crushing the cable. Your regular safety check of tyres, brakes etc. should enable you to spot damaged cables and replace them before they break in use.
Cables do just break (although I understand what you're [edit] implying). Cables are subject to being bent (in the STI) and crushed at the derailleur clamp bolt (and I don't think the quality of the bike will affect this) in their normal use. This is not abuse or neglect, and what do you mean by 'bent and re-bent too many times' exactly? This happens in normal use (at the STI). Can you quantify that? To ensure effectively security, the clamp point will crush the cable (have a look at any of your cables at that point). This is not 'over-tightening'. In my experience, what weakens the cable at that clamp point is constant adjustment and reclamping during derailleur indexing / re-indexing. And if this results in a broken bit of wire, I agree that this can be spotted during 'regular safety checks', but not otherwise.
I suggest that since one can't rely on visible inspection so the mitigation is scheduled replacement, either by time or by miles ridden. I shall be more rigorous in doing this - probably before Christmas for me (~5000km). 60km into the BCM 600, my FD cable broke after ~8000km. As Ian says:
fit the spare before the event. Saves time and weight.
 
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Globalti

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We need @Yellow Saddle along to explain about work-hardening of metals through constant bending and re-bending.

On quality bike equipment the cable departs from its end clamp or nipple over a curved guide of some sort meaning that it is not subject to constant local bending. The cable departs from the clamp in a perpendicular, fixed direction and changes of direction happen gently. However I've seen badly designed cable disc brakes where, as the brake pads wore, the rider was forced to pull the brake lever further and further until the short length of radiused support built into the cable clamp became redundant and the cable was pulling directly from the clamp, the angle of pull changing while actually under stress. These cables snapped at the clamp bolt within a couple of days of each other on a C2C ride. The attached picture shows the bad design much better than my words can.

On a good quality derailleur the angle of pull doesn't change enough for work-hardening to be a problem. However if you over-tighten the clamp and crush the cable, causing it to fray, some strands will be carrying all the stress and others none and the stressed strands will gradually fail, one by one until the inevitable happens.

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Ajax Bay

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On a good quality derailleur the angle of pull doesn't change enough for work-hardening to be a problem. However if you over-tighten the clamp and crush the cable, causing it to fray,
On a RD the angle changes about 25 degrees from top to bottom sprocket. I don't know whether the 'in normal usage' changes in angle will result in work hardening or not. I would have thought the failure mechanism will be fatique, of first one cable strand and then others. But the tension in the cable is rather less than on the FD.
With an FD cable, differences in angle of the cable to the clamp bolt is much less - because the run up from the bottom bracket is maybe 8cm, compared to the 2cm run on the RD. I think the tension issue is the most significant (after the damage that will be done by repeated reclamping). As I suggested in my OP:
"I think the tension/force required in the FD cable, because of the angle of the FD 'arm' to the (down pull) cable, is much greater (? x 3) than the tension in the RD cable - so the FD cable is more likely to break ceteris paribus.)" This is at its worst mechanical advantage (and therefore highest cable tension) changing (up) from the small chainring.
 
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On quality bike equipment the cable departs from its end clamp or nipple over a curved guide of some sort meaning that it is not subject to constant local bending.
So I wonder why right by the nipple 'inside' the STI/Ergo is the second top place for a gear cable to part? Edit: I have never experienced this but have seen this happen to others.
 
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Bicycle cables never break in tension. They always break from fatigue. No amount of inspection or maintenance will reveal when fatigue sets in so cables are therefore best replaced routinely. The nice plush feel of new cables make up for the cost and hassle of new inner and outer cables. Besides, it gives you an excuse for fresh bar tape. There is no need to carry spare cables if you regularly replace them. I've never broken a cable in living memory but I've replaced plenty of customer cables, particularly inside Shimano STIs where they break just behind the index barrel. A cable that breaks there requires hours of work to extract, another reason for replacing them often.

Cables don't break by work-hardening but by fatigue. They are already plenty hard from manufacturing - both tempering and work-hardening. Work hardening happens when the metal crystals can no longer slide (reasonably) freely over each other. Most metals have some "give" in the structure but after that's gone, the metal has hardened. In actual fact, it doesn't become harder, the yield point goes up, but that's another matter.

A cable that bends over a radius of say a one pound coin displays equal fatigue in all the strands. That's because the helical wind ensures that each strand gets its turn in being bent. The reason for a helical wind is so that no one strand elongates relative to the others when a cable goes around a bend. The end of the cable remains flush and there is no relative movement between strands provided the radius corresponds with the helix's frequency.

Clamps such as those in the photo shown by @Globalti force that section of the cable to bend beyond the helix' s frequency and therefore forces internal movement between strands, in that section. It also bends the strands beyond their fatigue limit and brings about premature failure through fatigue. Many metals have a fatigue limit whereby as long as the metal is flexed below that limit, it can go on flexing practically forever - think car springs. However, once you exceed the parameters and flex it beyond that, the fatigue sets in and the metal breaks. I prefer break over snap since snap suggests exceeding the yield point, which is not what happens when cables or spokes break. Once one strand is broken on the cable, the others will follow very quickly because all strands fatigue at roughly the same rate.

The wind-up barrel inside STIs has to be kept small to keep the shifter compact and that radius is smaller than what the cable's fatigue limit allows. I guess that the cable nipple made of zinc is melted onto the cable and the heat affects the heat treatment in that zone also, reducing cable life. I would also suspect that quality cables will have some sort of preventative measure at point of manufacture. However, the fact that it breaks just beyond the nipple even though that section does not bend more than the others, make me think that breaks are due to manufacturing errors and/or processes.

Not all cables are the same. Cheap cables are generally course but most people don't appreciate the difference in feel so it is good enough for them.
Here's an example of some cables.
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The cable below is Shimano, the one above that Jagwire. Note how the Shimano cable has been smoothed out by pulling it through a die after winding. The Jagwire retains its round wire shape which comes up quite course in a smoothness test and can certainly be felt, especially on the long rear brake cable.

A comparative smoothness test is simple. Take the various same-length cables (inners installed in their housing) you want to compare and wind them around a pole with a diameter of about 60mm - six or so times. Now simply manipulate the ends of each one and you'll discover an enormous difference. Campag and Shimano feels like butter, BBB, Jagwire and Clarke's like a saw blade on a piece of rebar.
 
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Dogtrousers

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While we're on the subject of cables, I replaced my SRAM Apex cables recently. They say in the manual to use 1.1mm cable. Most gear cables are, I discovered, 1.2mm.

Wanting to do the right thing, I purchased and used 1.1mm cables. There was a bit of a faff because I was buying some other stuff at the time, and I couldn't find a supplier who could supply both that stuff and the 1.1mm cables. Then the people I'd ordered the cables from told me they were out of stock and so on. Anyway I got them in the end and fitted them.

So, my question is ... does that .1 mm make a lot of difference? Or was I wasting my time faffing around.
 
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While we're on the subject of cables, I replaced my SRAM Apex cables recently. They say in the manual to use 1.1mm cable. Most gear cables are, I discovered, 1.2mm.

Wanting to do the right thing, I purchased and used 1.1mm cables. There was a bit of a faff because I was buying some other stuff at the time, and I couldn't find a supplier who could supply both that stuff and the 1.1mm cables. Then the people I'd ordered the cables from told me they were out of stock and so on. Anyway I got them in the end and fitted them.

So, my question is ... does that .1 mm make a lot of difference? Or was I wasting my time faffing around.

My guess is that it is just a faff. I have not come across a reason why it would make a difference. I use Campag who also specifies 1.1 and I've been using Shimano 1.2s for years and years. All I have to do is grind down the nipple, but that is just because Campag uses a different size.
 

rogerzilla

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Generally when a cable breaks you choose one gear and adjust the limit screws to keep it there. I've never actually done it so I don't know how much adjustment is possible, but I'd be surprised if you couldn't get the third or fourth smallest sprocket.

On a SA hub you can put a pin, or possibly a thorn, through the links of the indicator chain to keep the hub in normal gear, should you not want top gear all the time.
 

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Generally when a cable breaks you choose one gear and adjust the limit screws to keep it there. I've never actually done it so I don't know how much adjustment is possible, but I'd be surprised if you couldn't get the third or fourth smallest sprocket.

On a SA hub you can put a pin, or possibly a thorn, through the links of the indicator chain to keep the hub in normal gear, should you not want top gear all the time.

In reality the limit screws don't provide enough adjustment to be useful. It's happened to me one and a friend once also, best we could get was one sprocket from highest gear.
 

rogerzilla

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There is a Coke can repair recommended by Richard's New Bicycle Book (a repository of dubious info!) You punch two holes in a flattened drink can and tie the cable ends to it. I imagine most cables break near their ends, or at a cable stop, so this would almost never work.
 
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In reality the limit screws don't provide enough adjustment to be useful. It's happened to me one and a friend once also, best we could get was one sprocket from highest gear.

All I got was one sprocket up as well , still managed up a 15% hill in a 34-13 gear with a cadence of about 10 .
 
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