Full 20 mph city limit - a return to non drivers owning their town?

[Paspie]

Not trolling this time round. And, to be completely honest, I don't advocate speeding, that is just dangerous. However, it is assuming that the limits are set sensibly. Councils used to set them by the 85th percentile , until they decided we couldn't be trusted so 'nannying' with traffic calming, speed cameras, among other things, started. This sort of road vandalism should not be accepted.

 

[Paspie]

In our Carcentric Brave New World, we the motorist decide what the limits are and how "appropriate" our speeds will be.

Sometimes though, we fail to decide properly, either caring too much about one's enjoyment on the road, being drunk, careless, or just plain stupid. These matters should be dealt with separately. What they don't warrant is for rules to be forced upon everyone else, most of which are law-abiding citizens.

 

[Paspie]

I say there's good and bad points to both the Safe Speed and BRAKE manifestos, but I think there's one thing we can all agree on: there is too much conflict between the advocates of both. It's a shame the UK population can't agree on anything, and that will leave our road system in a precarious state for some time to come.

 

[oldstrath]

Sometimes though, we fail to decide properly, either caring too much about one's enjoyment on the road, being drunk, careless, or just plain stupid. These matters should be dealt with separately. What they don't warrant is for rules to be forced upon everyone else, most of which are law-abiding citizens.

If they are actually law abiding then the rules are not being 'forced on them'. Tell you what though, let's allow the arrogant twunts to set their own limits. But if you hit someone we take away their car, their licence (permanently), their liberty and any money we can find. Because freedom has a cost.

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2909613, member: 45"]Inappropriate speed is speeding, silly.[/quote]


Wrong !!!!!!!

I've highlighted the pertinent bit so you better understand the true definition of the term

n.
The act or an instance of driving especially a motor vehicle faster than is allowed by law.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/speeding

 

[theclaud]

I say there's good and bad points to [...] the Safe Speed [...] manifesto.

Should I go for "pffffft!" or ""snork!"?

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2909710, member: 45"]Sorry Linf, but you're being a buffoon. That's not the true definition.

Here's one you won't like, as it's from your buddies... http://roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/49.html[/quote]


Ah yes, these people who warn me of the risk of running over a passing Kangaroo on their website

About Us
Established in 1982, the MCC of NSW is the peak body for motorcycling in this state. It represents over 41 clubs, with more than 36,000 riders.

We lobby locally, nationally and internationally for motorcycle riders' rights. We promote motorcycling and the interests of motorcyclists.

The MCC cordially extend an invitation to any rider that wishes to attend these meetings.

After members vote to pursue an objective, club representatives work together on developing a solution. Unaligned riders may assist with this process, but member groups are kept informed of progress at all times.

So not really affiliated to anyone apart from themselves....I'd trust the dictionaries definitions than the website of a collection of self interest groups.

 

[glenn forger]

I say there's good and bad points to both the Safe Speed and BRAKE manifestos.

Have BRAKE suggested using grieving families to avoid speeding fines?

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2909757, member: 45"]So why did you ignore the other dictionary definitions which don't agree with you?[/quote]

I'm more interested to know why you have to go to the far side of the world to get something which agrees with your world view

driving faster than is allowed in a particular area:She was fined for speeding last month.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/speeding

(past and past participle speeded)[NO OBJECT] (of a motorist or vehicle) travel at a speed that is greater than the legal limit:the car that crashed was speeding
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/speed?q=speeding#speed__16

speed·ing
[spee-ding] speed limit: a $50 fine for speeding.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speeding?s=t

speed‧ing [uncountable]

the offence of driving faster than the legal limit:
http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/speeding

All dictionary definitions Paul

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2909837, member: 45"]Look again. You're excluding definitions on your first results page.

No, actually, don't. You're trolling. It's pathetic.[/quote]

And another thing....all this right of way nonsense in your sig...you can't give away your priority...you can choose to invite others out, but that still doesn't give them priority in the event if it were argued in court...just saying

 

[Linford]

[QUOTE 2909875, member: 45"]It's a direct quote from the Highway Code. Go argue it with them.[/quote]

The Highway code also states the difference between 'should' and 'must' which are pertinent to written law...I don't see either in that statement

 

[snorri]

The Highway code also states the difference between 'should' and 'must' which are pertinent to written law...I don't see either in that statement

Linf, please don't allow yourself to drift off the thread topic, it just ruins the forum for everyone.

 

[glenn forger]

Roger Lawson of the Alliance of British Drivers said they were not effective in promoting safety. “If these cameras are grey rather than yellow they are going to be harder to spot and so will have no impact in slowing traffic down,” he said. “If there is a good reason for the traffic to be slowed down then the cameras need to be as visible as possible.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...son-hosts-his-lbc-phone-in-politics-live-blog

Motorists lobbying against their criminal behaviour being addressed.

 

[Linford]

Linf, please don't allow yourself to drift off the thread topic, it just ruins the forum for everyone.

You mean that people just apply their interpretation of terminology to distort the true picture, and that is OK, but when anyone you dislike questions that, you claim your right to accuse people of trolling?

Far too many people looking at the issue and allowing their prejudices to distort reality....

 

[snorri]

You mean that people just apply their interpretation of terminology to distort the true picture, and that is OK, but when anyone you dislike questions that, you claim your right to accuse people of trolling?

Far too many people looking at the issue and allowing their prejudices to distort reality....

See Post 154.