Froome and Wiggins TUEs

[jowwy]

His beard looks unkempt.

i agree................

 

[hoopdriver]

Member Julian Knight is the author of Inheritance Tax for Dummies, which purports to "ensure that your nearest and dearest are protected from a large inheritance tax bill". I'm sure it's legal but doesn't that cross an ethical line?

How does that cross any ethical line? The tax laws, of any country, are hugely complex and a legal and financial minefield for the uninformed and unwary. If someone explains how one can legally save money - on taxes or indeed anything else - how is that unethical?

 

[hoopdriver]

[QUOTE 5172700, member: 45"]It undermines the intent of the law.[/QUOTE]
Only if the intent of the law is to confuse, mislead and gull the unwary into paying more than they are legally required to pay.

 

[Tin Pot]

The intent - yawn!

This is where everyone gets to reinterpret rules as they see fit because they’re understanding of the unspecified intent is better than someone else’s.

 

[smutchin]

Never failed a drug test, you know.

 

[hoopdriver]

[QUOTE 5172709, member: 45"]No lawyer or accountant ever said "......but you can get around that by......". Ever.

Ironic that obfuscation has burst into the room at this point. Try applying the same strategy to speed limits and you'll see it falter.[/QUOTE]
My goodness. If you have been privy to the briefings of every lawyer and every accountant - ever - you must have heard some amazing things in your time. Would you like to share them?

 

[hoopdriver]

Not arguing at all, just my inner ironist making light of a sweeping statement!

 

[Bollo]

Never failed a drug test, you know.

Lance is cycling's Godwin.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Lance is cycling's Godwin.

Surely Tommy Godwin is cycling's Godwin...

 

[mjr]

Lance is cycling's Godwin.

Surely @Marmion is cycling's Godwin, inspiring the test... which makes Lance...

 

[ColinJ]

And he never mentions Fluimacil in his Skoda advert. It should come up at the bottom next to the APR.

No, but he did say that he spent his life doing "everything possible" to achieve his best times and that he was "driven by something different"!

 

[Milkfloat]

I wonder is there should be an ethical line at all in sport - sure it is against the rules and regulations or not. Having a grey area of ethics does not help anybody on either side of the mythical line.

 

[Milzy]

Strange isn't it, our politicians can't sort the NHS out, can't properly fund the police, can't fathom brexit, can't muster the energy to figure out the teacher shortage, can't solve corrupted corporate pension scandals, can't resolve our new found requirement for food banks....But they (seemingly without evidence) know for sure Wiggo was juicing.... Top notch that... Almost like they're diverting attention from other issues or something

 

[mjr]

[QUOTE 5172791, member: 45"]Hey Mr Sportsman, you have a condition which is impairing your performance right now. Here's some medication, which is legal to take and which will counter that impairment today.


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Hey Mr Sportsman, you have a condition which is not impairing your performance right now. Here's some medication for that condition, which is legal to take, and which will improve your performance today.[/QUOTE]
OK, o wise one, what about "Hey Mr Sportsman, you have a condition which is not impairing your performance right now but we expect it is reasonably likely to kill you sooner or later if left untreated. Here's some medication, which is legal to take and which will counter that impairment today and which will improve your performance today" - which side of the line is that to you?

 

[mjr]

The "ethical line", however, appears to have been drawn by Brailsford himself. It's Dave's Petard and he appears to have been hoisted by it.

Which is odd, as I thought he objected to MPCC's different rules on the grounds that they would create just such an ethical grey area and his view was that if it's unethical then the rules should prohibit it, but if the rules allow it then it's ethical to do it.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/team-sky-no-medicine-for-regret/ has a Team Sky response rather than a Dave B one but I think he said similar in interviews around that time.