Froome and Wiggins TUEs

[jowwy]

Slanderous or otherwise, however they have 'used' the TUE system, he showed exactly the same pattern of (ab)use as convicted dopers.

Edited to add: plus conveniently 'lost' vital bits and pieces, ie jiffy bags and laptops, and kept poor records. Sorry, but there're a few too many unfortunate coincidences for me.

The doctor lost his laptop and kept poor records NOT bradley wiggins.

The jiffy bag was also for the doctor as per shane suttons testimony. The doctor may have used for bradley, but he also used it for others too, within bc and team sky........

 

[hoopdriver]

The doctor lost his laptop and kept poor records NOT bradley wiggins.

The jiffy bag was also for the doctor as per shane suttons testimony. The doctor may have used for bradley, but he also used it for others too, within bc and team sky........

Correct! Wiggins was a bystander in all that. An innocent bystander? Who knows. But definitely a bystander.

 

[jowwy]

Correct! Wiggins was a bystander in all that. An innocent bystander? Who knows. But definitely a bystander.

His name was used to give the case more meaning............

If bradley was going to drug up, im sure he wouldnt have left the drugs he was going to use on a coaches desk for everyone to see and then ask for it to be flown out to him during a race.....which again was totally incorrect as the name on the package wasnt even his

 

[hopless500]

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The doctor lost his laptop and kept poor records NOT bradley wiggins.

The jiffy bag was also for the doctor as per shane suttons testimony. The doctor may have used for bradley, but he also used it for others too, within bc and team sky........

Er....i also didn't say it was Wiggins who lost a laptop or kept poor records. You are so determined to contradict any perceived slight to him that you appear to be not reading properly from the lofty height of your Wiggo soapbox.

To be frank, I don't really give a toss what he, Froome or anyone else do or don't do. It's got nothing to do with me.
I enjoy watching the cycling and just take it as it comes. If people cheat/don't cheat/get banned/dont get banned.... it is still an entertaining sport to watch.

 

[hoopdriver]

Agreed - but I'd rather they played nice.

 

[hopless500]

Agreed - but I'd rather they played nice.

Yeah me too. But until the rules and regs are watertight it aint gonna happen. So I just take it at face value and sigh a little whenever a new 'story' emerges.

 

[jowwy]

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Er....i also didn't say it was Wiggins who lost a laptop or kept poor records. You are so determined to contradict any perceived slight to him that you appear to be not reading properly from the lofty height of your Wiggo soapbox.

To be frank, I don't really give a toss what he, Froome or anyone else do or don't do. It's got nothing to do with me.
I enjoy watching the cycling and just take it as it comes. If people cheat/don't cheat/get banned/dont get banned.... it is still an entertaining sport to watch.

so who was you referring to in reply to my post about Bradley wiggins, when you made these comments - Edited to add: plus conveniently 'lost' vital bits and pieces, ie jiffy bags and laptops, and kept poor records. Sorry, but there're a few too many unfortunate coincidences for me.

and I’m not on any lofty wiggo soapbox in the same way as people state that not slandering him, by making comments about is perceived drug taking.........where he is legally covered by a TUE, whether you like it or Not......


Now - Mr frommedog himself came out and made numerous comments about Bradleys TUEs even though he has received them himself to win or compete in races, now we find he's returned an AAF in not one but both his samples during a high level grand tour......some people refer to it as a mistake and a screw up, yet those same people didn't say the same about Wiggins....they just slandered and slated him without any credible evidence of wrong doing.........but we have evidence now that Froome was doped up on salbutamol. some say that this drug does nothing, but it must do as the UCI state at what levels of the drug your allowed in your system at any point and when DRUG tested froome was found to be OVER that allowable limit. Not by a small amount but by DOUBLE the amount allowed.

now as much as you say you don't care, you obviuosly do as your involved in a thread about the wiggins/froome tue........if you didn't care you would just ignore the subject post. the same as many people do about other posts they don't care about...........

its no wonder the politics part of the site has been removed, when people just go round slandering people just for the sake of it.

end of rant

 

[mjr]

some people refer to it as a mistake and a screw up, yet those same people didn't say the same about Wiggins....they just slandered and slated him without any credible evidence of wrong doing.........

Stop referring to deleted posts, please. They might show what you say but you can't prove it.

but we have evidence now that Froome was doped up on salbutamol. some say that this drug does nothing, but it must do as the UCI state at what levels of the drug your allowed in your system at any point

If you think UCI test levels are infallible, why do you think they are ever changed? Or do you think they reached some perfection with the last rule change?

its no wonder the politics part of the site has been removed, when people just go round slandering people just for the sake of it.

I guess you've not spotted the recent site announcement yet, or you think politics isn't part of current affairs.

 

[jowwy]

Stop referring to deleted posts, please. They might show what you say but you can't prove it.


If you think UCI test levels are infallible, why do you think they are ever changed? Or do you think they reached some perfection with the last rule change?


I guess you've not spotted the recent site announcement yet, or you think politics isn't part of current affairs.

1. i'm referring to current posts and not deleted ones...........
2. no system is perfect, but we are currently working within the current system and froome failed in that current system
3. i have spotted the new current affairs section, but my post was about the previous deleted politics section and why it it was removed

 

[nickyboy]

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Er....i also didn't say it was Wiggins who lost a laptop or kept poor records. You are so determined to contradict any perceived slight to him that you appear to be not reading properly from the lofty height of your Wiggo soapbox.

To be frank, I don't really give a toss what he, Froome or anyone else do or don't do. It's got nothing to do with me.
I enjoy watching the cycling and just take it as it comes. If people cheat/don't cheat/get banned/dont get banned.... it is still an entertaining sport to watch.

I'm not sure most people (and thus sponsors) would agree.

Most people watch to enjoy the man v man contest, not a battle of who has the best chemist

The sport was dying due to repeated failed drug tests. It's not as bad now but for sure if Froome winds up with a ban it's a massive blow to the sport's credibility. If he's dirty then Joe public will conclude that they're all dirty

 

[mjr]

1. i'm referring to current posts and not deleted ones...........

Cool. Which posts?

2. no system is perfect, but we are currently working within the current system and froome failed in that current system

But why do you assume that the level set in the current system is correct and means that level does something? Let's wait and see what Froome proves or not.

3. i have spotted the new current affairs section, but my post was about the previous deleted politics section and why it it was removed

The threads from the previous section have been moved to the new one and did the site owners ever say that the previous one was closed because "people just go round slandering people just for the sake of it"? The reasons given were a lot more basic than that.

 

[User169]

So Froome has hired Mike Morgan. Previous clients include Bruyneel, Contador, Sharapova...

 

[FishFright]

So Froome has hired Mike Morgan. Previous clients include Bruyneel, Contador, Sharapova...

Incremental gains is getting off a failed test ?

 

[hopless500]

so who was you referring to in reply to my post about Bradley wiggins, when you made these comments - Edited to add: plus conveniently 'lost' vital bits and pieces, ie jiffy bags and laptops, and kept poor records. Sorry, but there're a few too many unfortunate coincidences for me.

and I’m not on any lofty wiggo soapbox in the same way as people state that not slandering him, by making comments about is perceived drug taking.........where he is legally covered by a TUE, whether you like it or Not......


Now - Mr frommedog himself came out and made numerous comments about Bradleys TUEs even though he has received them himself to win or compete in races, now we find he's returned an AAF in not one but both his samples during a high level grand tour......some people refer to it as a mistake and a screw up, yet those same people didn't say the same about Wiggins....they just slandered and slated him without any credible evidence of wrong doing.........but we have evidence now that Froome was doped up on salbutamol. some say that this drug does nothing, but it must do as the UCI state at what levels of the drug your allowed in your system at any point and when DRUG tested froome was found to be OVER that allowable limit. Not by a small amount but by DOUBLE the amount allowed.

now as much as you say you don't care, you obviuosly do as your involved in a thread about the wiggins/froome tue........if you didn't care you would just ignore the subject post. the same as many people do about other posts they don't care about...........

its no wonder the politics part of the site has been removed, when people just go round slandering people just for the sake of it.

end of rant

To answer the first bit.... Sky is who I was referring to.
To answer the rest of your rant.... you seriously are mistaking me for someone who gives a sh!t.

 

[mjr]

So Froome has hired Mike Morgan. Previous clients include Bruyneel, Contador, Sharapova...

Team Sky's PR manager has just read your post:

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