kingrollo
Guru
Does there need to be logic ?
I once knew a guy in a reasonably paid job who got fired for stealing £10 from a birthday collection.
Froome can't defend himself on not gaining an advantage.
Froome and Wiggins TUEs
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Does there need to be logic ?
I once knew a guy in a reasonably paid job who got fired for stealing £10 from a birthday collection.
Froome can't defend himself on not gaining an advantage.
hoopdriver
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hoopdriver
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- East Sussex
Is there anything about Froome’s persona or character that suggests devil may care recklessness?
kingrollo
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Adam4868
Guru
Gotta agree there,it's sad for cycling as a sport.Im a massive Froome fan,I can't honestly see him deliberately 'doping' as such.He knew he was being tested every stage and the eyes of the world were on him.Hes the golden boy of cycling and no matter what he's tainted now.Armchair fans will never have trust in the sport.
Im still hoping for some sort of miracle explanation.Is there one ?
Im still hoping for some sort of miracle explanation.Is there one ?
hoopdriver
Guru
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Well Kingrollo, you just compared him with somebody who recklessly and compulsively stole £10 from a birthday collection as a possible explanation for his actions. I'm simply saying there is nothing about Froome that would suggest of that sort of reckless compulsion. I think that is one thing we can rule out straight away.
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The more I read on the subject the more I wonder, is it just a cock up, is it just a case that someone got their sums wrong? Froome has been controlling his asthma for some time so must know what he can and cannot take, he also knows he's under scrutiny, so I don't understand why he would willingly take enough for that much to show in a test, I recon he just took what he was given and didn't check it.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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Gotten away with similar usage procedures without triggering an adverse analytical finding. Possibly as minimal a benefit as not being seen using an inhaler on camera as much and the stigma of that.
Siclo
Veteran
I agreed with you on the logic front.
As to the effects, it depends on what you read, it's anabolic affect is certainly minimal in comparison with it's close compound clenbuterol however it's lipolysis effect is pretty much on a par but pointless in the middle of a GT.
It's going to be interesting exactly what is now put into the public domain, if he avoids a ban and no information is released I don't think this one will go away the same way that Sky's never appearing study into altitude natives did when Henao had passport issues.
kingrollo
Guru
Sorry that wasn't the impression I wanted to give. I m just saying sometimes people do daft illogical things.
It could be that unless he pumped himself full of inhaler he wouldn't have completed the stage in anything like the time to stay in contention - if he had a cold or something.
As I say unless the tests are wrong it would seem that froome massively overdosed in his asthma medication
hoopdriver
Guru
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And so he jeopardises a golden boy reputation, a great career, not to mention £4 million a year salary (and God knows what in endorsements) to avoid being seen using an inhaler of the sort GPs routinely prescribe to asthmatics? When the world already knows he's an asthmatic? This makes sense to you?
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nickyboy
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What are the chances of Froome and Sky Management deciding to take a chance and dose up on salbutamol? Virtually nil
What are the chances of Sky Management screwing up somewhere in the management of the dosages (particularly as this drug can be administered as a pill and via a ventilator)? Not virtually nil
What are the chances of Froome having some strange physiological quirk that produces a very adverse finding via standard dosages that Sky were not aware of with all their testing? Hmmm.......dunno, but feels very small
As you said, Occam's Razor
hoopdriver
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I agree - high probability of screw up somewhere. There are clinical studies that show that dehydration after a hard physical effort can adversely affect levels of salbutamol in the urine so that is something that may have compounded whatever screw up happened with Froome's dosage. Clearly there was a major cock-up with dramatic ramifications.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
Or have I have said many times ...Murdoch ruins everything he gets his grubby hands on .
Siclo
Veteran
He'd better hope not, he might get away, or get a reduced ban, with an inhaled dosage screw up. Oral administration would be an automatic two year ban and career over.
