FOOOD......help!

[lukesdad]

Natural sugars are cool!

In moderation.

 

[RUTHIEBAV]

In moderation.

I 'spose if I did as many miles as you I could eat loads of chocolate and not worry ..... or do you worry. No you're too chilled

 

[Gooner Mad Dog]

Try a pregnancy kit , eaten any coal lately? hot flushes? or started crying when your buttered loast lands face down as you were just about to daub it low fat creme fraiche with crushed chilli flakes?

 

[RUTHIEBAV]

Try a pregnancy kit , eaten any coal lately? hot flushes? or started crying when your buttered loast lands face down as you were just about to daub it low fat creme fraiche with crushed chilli flakes?

Hahaha. Omg that would be a NIGHTMARE particularly as my OH has had the snip AAAAAARGH

 

[lukesdad]

I 'spose if I did as many miles as you I could eat loads of chocolate and not worry ..... or do you worry. No you're too chilled

I was a little concerned over the christmas break Ruth. My brother and his teenage sons were down, and the mince pies were dissapearing at an alarming rate !

 

[Scilly Suffolk]

No, still not getting it. I knew there was a good chance I'd start craving choc and hoped if I filled up on good stuff I wouldn't feel the need to go bonkers on choc later!

I couldn't think of another lunch, I don't stop on my ride and if I did I'd try to avoid cake, maybe that's what I need after all!

Bacon & eggs is not "good stuff" to cycle on (even assuming the bacon was grilled and the eggs poached): they are both forms of protein and you need carbohydrate for energy: cake is, mostly, carbohydrate which is why the cakestop forms a part of so many rides.

The modern, industrialised society has imposed the "three square meals" model on us, but the 40,000 years (give or take) of the evolution of modern humans has conditioned our bodies otherwise; elevenses and afternoon tea were eaten for a good reason.

To avoid hunger pangs try eating a little and often: have a snack three hours after a meal; and a meal two and a half hours after a snack. Obviously you will need to eat smaller meals so as not to exceed your overall calorie needs, but eating in this way will avoid the metabolic peaks and troughs you get from "three square meals", which cause your pangs.

 

[Scilly Suffolk]

Hey Jimmy...fair questions! I don't use protein powders to cover a diet deficiency, it's a supplement to my balanced diet, not a replacement for one. Expense is relative and though I can ill afford to splash the cash on anything, fitness is one thing I do like to spend money on.

But what is the purpose of this supplement? If your diet is balanced, why does it need supplementing? As far as the cost goes, I quite agree: it's your money and you can spend it on what you want; my point, was that if it was to make up for a deficiency (which you have explained it isn't), then protein powder is more expensive than protein which can be obtained through a good diet.

I can't argue a case for whether having muscle is counter-intuitive for a cyclist because I've only just got back in the saddle. However, I'm sure that having a fair amount of lean muscle can't be too harmful, and of course, it depends what level we're talking. As a general rule of thumb I'm a 'cyclist' because I cycle, but I'm no pro and never will be. Having lean muscle won't get in the way of my enjoyment for cycling!

Obviously "having muscle" is not counter-intuitive, but hypertrophy is; and hypertrophy (ie body building) is the usual objective of anyone using protein powder in the way you describe. Big muscles are more weight for the cyclist to shift (have a look at Bradley Wiggins and compare his competition and off-season weights), which is why weight training remains such a controversial subject. If a cyclist does want to include weight training in their programme (and maintaining bone density is one very compelling reason why they should) then their objective would be strength and not size: I can recommend this book.

Protein is for rebuilding broken down muscle remember - not necessarily for bulking at all. Most protein powders contain essential amino acids that aid the protein to help repair muscle that's been broken down during exercise.

As does the protein in your balanced diet. Incidentally, protein powder which doesn't contain amino acids is just er... powder.

As for the choc milkshake debate - I just don't see why you'd choose to have a chocolate milkshake as a supplement or recovery drink after cycling or any workout. I already agree that milk has its benefits, and in small quantities chocolate with high-cocoa content has its health benefits. But I just can't imagine that standard chocolate milkshakes (unless we're talking specialist stuff here?) can be a recommended drink.

Also to quote your post in the thread you started, you mention there's no difference between a choc milkshake and other recovery drinks - I can't seem to view the studies on my phone but what are the 'other recovery drinks'?

You don't think that it might be a good idea (not to mention courteous) to read the evidence I have supplied, before arguing that I'm wrong?

 

[Old Plodder]

Sultanas are my on bike backup; I don't care for raisins or currants.

 

[RUTHIEBAV]

I was a little concerned over the christmas break Ruth. My brother and his teenage sons were down, and the mince pies were dissapearing at an alarming rate !

That's reassuring to read!

Bacon & eggs is not "good stuff" to cycle on (even assuming the bacon was grilled and the eggs poached): they are both forms of protein and you need carbohydrate for energy: cake is, mostly, carbohydrate which is why the cakestop forms a part of so many rides.

The modern, industrialised society has imposed the "three square meals" model on us, but the 40,000 years (give or take) of the evolution of modern humans has conditioned our bodies otherwise; elevenses and afternoon tea were eaten for a good reason.

To avoid hunger pangs try eating a little and often: have a snack three hours after a meal; and a meal two and a half hours after a snack. Obviously you will need to eat smaller meals so as not to exceed your overall calorie needs, but eating in this way will avoid the metabolic peaks and troughs you get from "three square meals", which cause your pangs.

Omg I'm so confused
I had protein to try to help muscle recovery.
Then carbs to restock on energy before next session.
Fruit in between meals.
Had to eat a fair amount as I'd done a lot of activity and was extremely hungry. I don't want to stop when I'm out on my bike, it's too cold. I wouldn't nomally eat cake when I'm cycling, it just feels wrong!
Think I'll just have to keep experimenting.

 

[jefmcg]

So am I the only person that thinks a days meals that are completely devoid of vegetables (except baked beans, which usually come loaded with sugar too) is not a good diet?

 

[Baggy]

So am I the only person that thinks a days meals that are completely devoid of vegetables (except baked beans, which usually come loaded with sugar too) is not a good diet?

As long as you eat plenty of veg throughout the week I can't see a problem with having no veg on occasion - especially if like Ruthiebav, you're also eating fruit.

 

[caimg]

Chill Jimmy! You're getting a tad defensive my man. I still can't see how anyone could say a chocolate milkshake is a good source of nutrition - it is A source but I'm fairly sure there are many better...

It's not a lack of courtesy that stops me reading those particular studies but simply a lack of time in my day I did google it (again, from my phone) and most of the top few articles I read mentioned the pros of milk, and the pros of a high-cocoa chocolate. You don't find high-cocoa chocolates in chocolate milkshakes (70% or higher), unless, we're talking specialist shakes that I don't know of.

I'm afraid your other two points are wrong - I use Matrix Anabolic protein powder, google it, it contains many amino acids and not 'just er...powder'. I wouldn't make it up just to support my argument. I'd love to be able to afford maxi muscle stuff but I can't, which brings me onto my next point. For the nutritional values (for want of a better word, as most protein powders are by and large a great source of protein and nothing else), the protein powder I use is far cheaper than if I was to consume the same amount of protein through diet, I've worked it out previously.

We'll agree to disagree but starchy carbs and protein is my choice for a sports / gym lifestyle, not sugar carbs from cake and choc milkshakes

However, it doesn't mean I don't convince myself Dominos Pizzas are a good source of nutrition from time to time...

 

[caimg]

So am I the only person that thinks a days meals that are completely devoid of vegetables (except baked beans, which usually come loaded with sugar too) is not a good diet?

No not at all! I can have trouble at times with veg and have to make a conscious effort to include them in my meals, I like to have fresh veg soups or stews...makes it much easier for me to get a few things down me.

 

[col]

Slow cookers are fantastic for diets. Fill em up with veg and/or meat of your choice, put on low when you go to work, all ready when you get home.You can even use it overnight too

 

[Ashtrayhead]

That does sound nice but how wide will I be.

Neither are particularly high in fats and as the malt loaf is sweet and filling you only need a little bit of spread. Try it with marmite or mashed banana for example.