Fixed broken again :(

[fossyant]

Not a chance fella..... It's a Terry Dolan Ribble...

 

[Tharg2007]

i recon i should at least test it

 

[Joe24]

Just as a quick question, when your chain comes off on fixed(like mine did) i mnoved the back wheel forward to put the chain back on. Guy in LBS says you dont need to do it, and if i needed to do it that way then the chain was too tight.
Now ive tried to just put the chain back on before when ive tightened the chain up without moving the back wheel and it just didnt work, it was easier to put the back wheel forward.
Added to the fact i have an oval something so it is slack tight, i move the back wheel forward.
So, am i right in my thinking that to put the chain back on its best to move the back wheel forward and re-tighten the chain, or is the guy in LBS right in saying that i could of just put the chain back on without moving the back wheel.

 

[Tharg2007]

Just as a quick question, when your chain comes off on fixed(like mine did) i mnoved the back wheel forward to put the chain back on. Guy in LBS says you dont need to do it, and if i needed to do it that way then the chain was too tight.
Now ive tried to just put the chain back on before when ive tightened the chain up without moving the back wheel and it just didnt work, it was easier to put the back wheel forward.
Added to the fact i have an oval something so it is slack tight, i move the back wheel forward.
So, am i right in my thinking that to put the chain back on its best to move the back wheel forward and re-tighten the chain, or is the guy in LBS right in saying that i could of just put the chain back on without moving the back wheel.

Who are these people? name and shame c'mon

 

[Joe24]

Who are these people? name and shame c'mon

Dont think i should do yet

 

[fossyant]

They are rubbish..... sounds a bit like the LBS that was linked to our club....none of the experienced riders took their bikes anywhere near the place, bought stuff, but no maintenance - he was a monkey wrench and big hammer type......

 

[bonj2]

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I dont know if the chainring bolt broke or if it worked loose. And im guessing i wont ever know.

have you not still got the chainring bolt joe or did it fly out and get lost.

if its threads are intact and the threads on the crank spider it bolts into are intact then it can only possibly have come out by having come unscrewed. which means it'd had been working loose for a bit, and didn't "just happen" as you were trackstanding.

however i would hazard a guess that it is very unlikely that the actual thread on the chainring bolt came off, and even if that was the cause of the bolt failing, the thread would likely still be in the crank (i've never heard of this happening - however what i have seen happen is the other way round - i.e. a bolt strips the threads out of the bolt hole it is tightening into - happened to my mtb recently due to overtightening a bolt into threads that i have now deduced were already weak -b ut that's another story and one that's now resolved well).

if the bolt simply sheared, then half the bolt should still be in the crank.

thus, it seems to me that if there is no remains of the bolt left in the crank, and the crank's threads are perfectly intact, then the only way the bolt could possibly have come out would be to have gradually worked its way loose and unscrewed itself over time.

what actually happened to the chainring itself on this latest failing - did it bend like before?
also is it possible that the previous time it bent was actually a symptom of the same thing that has just happened, i.e. a bolt coming out, caused a quarterof the chainring fell out of line slightly and the force of the chain on it when it was in this out-of-kilter state is what caused it to bend.

ignore me if i've got the wrong end of the stick but that's just my deductions.

As for getting a new frame i still dont know. Im un-decided. The fixed is pretty bodged, and it being 130mm spaced made it hard for getting it set up as fixed, so it had to be bodged slightly, which worked but it just seems to have gotten unrealiable. Which it has. And me, or the person in the LBS can work it out.
The LBS doesnt have any fixed frames by the way, so i would end up buying one from elsewhere(planet x if its the pompino) and setting the bike up myself.

i personally don't think the frame's likely to be at fault unless it's majorly bent as fabfoodie says. however if it's an excuse for a new frame and a new project to build up a fixed totally properly as you want to using proper components meant for a fixed then don't let it stop you confidence in your bike is important.

 

[Joe24]

The chainring bolt is somewhere, somewhere. I have no idea where it is
What happened this time, was i moved off from a trackstand and the chain came off. Which would of been due to the chainring being able to move abit more so the chain came off. I still havent looked at the chainring properly to see if its bent, but it isnt as bent as the last one which is something im happy with
There was no bolt lost when my chainring really bent over, they were all still there.
Another LBS i called up today said to pop it into them and they will have a look to see, and they dont think its the chain line. He asked about the set up then said to pop it in for him to have a look at.
I sort of am tempted by the new frame, but its finding one that isnt too expensive. I looked around and cant really see a fixed frame around me that i can go and collect, that isnt too expensive. The On-One Pompino frame temps me, have carbon forks on it, a goodish proper fixed crankset, and other nice stuff. But im not sure,
Also the Dolan frame(its track, but the picture looks like the Dolan fxe) from Ribble, and ordering that over the phone, then building that up with road forks.
Im preferring to ride fixed, and i got some money for a kayak i had, which is sort of whats making me want to build up a proper fixed.
But im not sure

 

[bonj2]

define 'too expensive'

hubjubs one looks quite nice: http://www.hubjub.co.uk/gorilla/hattara.htm

jsut a thought aswell, if your folks are suspicious of the internet someone else could easily order it for you and you could pick it up from them, are they suspicious of credit card holder not present purchases etc it or is it more a moral objection kind of thing.

 

[Joe24]

define 'too expensive'

hubjubs one looks quite nice: http://www.hubjub.co.uk/gorilla/hattara.htm

jsut a thought aswell, if your folks are suspicious of the internet someone else could easily order it for you and you could pick it up from them, are they suspicious of credit card holder not present purchases etc it or is it more a moral objection kind of thing.

Thats too expensive I like the Ti courier frame from Hubjub aswell.
About £200-ish is what i have to spend. I have £350 overall, i need crankset, stem, forks, bottom bracket aswell.
So whether it will be possible to do or not i dont know. I could get a Fuji Track, and swap my components that are better, for the ones on the Fuji. But that would mean im left with some more components(which could mean another bike)

 

[Joe24]

They dont.
The frame i have now is sort of like a dump bike. If i didnt get it, then it was going to the tip because the stem was stuck in the forks.
Its a pretty bike frame though, but it doesnt fit me too bad.