Fitting QR skewer to wheel with horizontal dropouts

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benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
I have a tagalong bike - Trek Mountain Train - for my son. He got a puncture the other day, and because the wheel is bolted in, I couldn't just swap the inner tube (well, unless I carry a spanner around with me). Luckily I was able to patch the tube in situ, but it's not ideal.

It has horizontal dropouts, to alter chain tension, so my question is whether I'll run into problems if I try and fit a QR skewer to it?
 

Tim Hall

Guest
Location
Crawley
Can't see why you should, unless he's built like Mario Cipollini or Davy Walnuts.
 

Hawk

Veteran
Interesting question for a tagalong bike.

QR skewers are generally fitted to vertical dropouts so all they have to do is hold the wheel in place if it loses contact with the ground. If we consider what happens when I apply the brakes so hard that I skid (on my vertical dropouts), the wheel effectively gets locked at the brake pads, the bottom of the wheel is pushed backwards (against my direction of motion). The axle is another "lock" point, my axle presses against my frame and thus we have two lock points and the wheel stays well and truly attached to my bike.

There is/was a problem when QR skewers started being used with disk brakes. Imagine placing a disk brake pad exactly level with a vertical dropout and then imagine applying so much braking force that the wheel effectively "locks" at the brake pad. The wheel would also be pulled backwards under braking. Imagine your bike and rider weigh very little and your QR is loose - can you see the problem? The frame might lift away from the axle (which is only held to the frame with the not very tight QR). This did actually happen, which leads me to conclude that the QR cannot be relied upon to counter all forces exerted on a wheel.

As such, I would be wary of holding my axle with only a QR on horizontal dropouts - not only does the axle need to support my weight (obviously) but there's a whole host of other forces pushing the axle forward and back during bike movement, forces that want to make the axle slide about the dropout.

Going over potholes etc would cause forces in the direction of the dropouts; this might loosen the QRs over time, who knows. They'd quite possibly cause the axle to move about the dropouts, given enough time.

I would slime the innertube instead and carry a pump *waits for torrent of abuse for suggesting slime*
 

screenman

Squire
I would slime it also and carry a spanner, I would not use a QR on a horizontal drop out. Having said that last bit it applies to myself only, on a tagalong with a small child on it is unlikely it would be a problem.

For an extra bit of security you could fit a nut tugger if you can get them, not that sort for you dirty minded.
 

youngoldbloke

The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
The tagalong shown has forward facing dropouts. No problem with a QR surely. Not that long ago most if not all road bike frames had forward facing horizontal dropouts. I don't remember problems.
 

Hicky

Guru
My Crosscheck has forward sloping dropouts, I dont notice them creeping forward and I dont take the wheel off very often to reset it....it will be fine
 
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benb

benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
The tagalong shown has forward facing dropouts. No problem with a QR surely. Not that long ago most if not all road bike frames had forward facing horizontal dropouts. I don't remember problems.
That link must be for the newer model - mine definitely has rear facing dropouts.
I think I'll just get a frame back and chuck a spanner in so it's on the bike all the time.
 

boydj

Legendary Member
Location
Paisley
Just make sure you have the q/r done up nice and tight. I've pulled my wheel forward when taking off - which brought me to a quick stop as the tyre touched the chainstay. I've got a Mercian with semi-horizontal drop-outs. The q/r needs to have a grippy face touching the drop-out and some wheels come with smooth-faced q/r's.
 

Wobblers

Euthermic
Location
Minkowski Space
I have horizontal dropouts on my Van Nic and I have had problems with the QR sliding forward when I apply power (and I'm not quite built like Davy Walnuts either!). The solution was to get a decent QR skewer with an internal cam: external cam types don't exert enough force to hold the wheel axle in place.
 

youngoldbloke

The older I get, the faster I used to be ...
youngoldbloke, could you please expand on that last post of yours.
- for example:
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We used quick releases with these, no problem.
 
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