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licklelilli

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I'm looking to buy a bicycle for my commute to work. I really like the Dutch style but I test rode a Raleigh Spirit and realised that roads are really crap and a rigid frame might not be the best idea. But I have no clue what I need...front suspension maybe!? I'm not looking to purchase a grand bike just for my commute, I'm not looking for elite performance but I am willing to pay a reasonable amount for a bike that I will use everyday (around £300, could be pushed up if the quality difference is worth it). I am also a very small human being though and require a 15" frame which appears to limit me significantly. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated?
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Front suspension, especially on a cheap bike, is mostly just extra weight for on-road use IMO. Plush, reasonably wide (37mm, for example) tyres and a sprung saddle will soak up most road lumps unless it's a total moonscape. The own-brand 35mm "cross town" tyres and own-brand unsprung saddle on the Raleigh Spirit probably isn't the best example of the type.

The £300 budget and the 15" frame requirement may be tougher problems for a decent Dutch style bike. I think a new Dutchie Chic or Liv Flourish starts from £400, Gazelles from £450 and Pashleys from £500. I don't know if there's a good second-hand Dutch-style bike shop near Manchester. On the frame size, you may find it better to look up your height or inside leg on manufacturer sizing charts than just assuming you need the same specific size from them all. Good luck!
 

Bonefish Blues

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Take a look here as an initial benchmark - the small is a 15" frame (well, 14.96" frame if you want to be specific!) and it will soak up the worst you can throw at it, is light and well-priced, and comes as standard with cushioning 38mm tyres. A very different style of bike, but I think rather better than the more traditional style in many respects.

https://www.evanscycles.com/pinnacle-lithium-1-womens-2016-hybrid-bike-EV244093
 
@licklelilli - how tall are you? I'm 4'11" with a 27" inside leg, currently also in the hunt for a new bike - albeit a roadie.

If you're my height, you might (like me) find ladies' bikes simply too big and heavy, so don't discount junior bikes. I recently went to Halfords and tried out the Wiggins Chartres 26 (a hybrid), which may well be worth you looking at. And it'll give you a fiver's change from £300. If I wasn't looking for a road bike, this one would do it for me. :smile:

http://www.halfords.com/cycling/bikes/kids-bikes/wiggins-chartres-junior-hybrid-bike-26
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Take a look here as an initial benchmark - the small is a 15" frame (well, 14.96" frame if you want to be specific!) and it will soak up the worst you can throw at it, is light and well-priced, and comes as standard with cushioning 38mm tyres. A very different style of bike, but I think rather better than the more traditional style in many respects.

https://www.evanscycles.com/pinnacle-lithium-1-womens-2016-hybrid-bike-EV244093
Doesn't look better to me: it claims to be light, but once you add the extras which are often included on practical bikes such as mudguards, racks, lights, comfortable handlebar and sprung saddle, then it's not going to stay that light. The wheels are 32 spoke rather than more durable 36 or 40s and aluminium frames feel different (harsher in my experience, but that's controversial) to steel. The low-end Tourney 7-speed derailleur has a narrower gear range than a 7-speed gear hub (213% compared to 245%), requires more maintenance (more exposed parts) and is usually less efficient (more twisting of a narrower chain). In short, I think the rider would feel the pain of the cost savings of that bike on every ride.
 

Bonefish Blues

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Doesn't look better to me: it claims to be light, but once you add the extras which are often included on practical bikes such as mudguards, racks, lights, comfortable handlebar and sprung saddle, then it's not going to stay that light. The wheels are 32 spoke rather than more durable 36 or 40s and aluminium frames feel different (harsher in my experience, but that's controversial) to steel. The low-end Tourney 7-speed derailleur has a narrower gear range than a 7-speed gear hub (213% compared to 245%), requires more maintenance (more exposed parts) and is usually less efficient (more twisting of a narrower chain). In short, I think the rider would feel the pain of the cost savings of that bike on every ride.
I guess the OP will take a view, it was posted as a counterpoint, so I'll not get into a detailed technical discussion that I sense may have little or no relevance to her ^_^
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I guess the OP will take a view, it was posted as a counterpoint, so I'll not get into a detailed technical discussion that I sense may have little or no relevance to her ^_^
Sure, but posting "rather better than the more traditional style" for a cheap alloy bike that looks worse in most ways seems rather strange and the guidelines of the site say "Do not simply put down the opinion or advice given by others. If you don’t agree with it, say why (respectfully), don’t just tell them they are wrong" so I've attempted to explain why I disagree with that counterpoint. The points like having decent handlebars, guards and racks or wider gear range are not purely technical: they affect how easy it is to use the bike.
 
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licklelilli

licklelilli

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Front suspension, especially on a cheap bike, is mostly just extra weight for on-road use IMO. Plush, reasonably wide (37mm, for example) tyres and a sprung saddle will soak up most road lumps unless it's a total moonscape. The own-brand 35mm "cross town" tyres and own-brand unsprung saddle on the Raleigh Spirit probably isn't the best example of the type.

The £300 budget and the 15" frame requirement may be tougher problems for a decent Dutch style bike. I think a new Dutchie Chic or Liv Flourish starts from £400, Gazelles from £450 and Pashleys from £500. I don't know if there's a good second-hand Dutch-style bike shop near Manchester. On the frame size, you may find it better to look up your height or inside leg on manufacturer sizing charts than just assuming you need the same specific size from them all. Good luck!
The test ride I did was my actual commute from whalley range into the city centre and the roads really were awful and I thought they felt bad in a car! The dutch style isn't an absolute requirement, I just simply like that look. But to be honest I'm happy to buy a different style as when it comes down to it I don't really care what it looks like as long as it does the job well :smile:
 
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licklelilli

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@licklelilli - how tall are you? I'm 4'11" with a 27" inside leg, currently also in the hunt for a new bike - albeit a roadie.

If you're my height, you might (like me) find ladies' bikes simply too big and heavy, so don't discount junior bikes. I recently went to Halfords and tried out the Wiggins Chartres 26 (a hybrid), which may well be worth you looking at. And it'll give you a fiver's change from £300. If I wasn't looking for a road bike, this one would do it for me. :smile:

http://www.halfords.com/cycling/bikes/kids-bikes/wiggins-chartres-junior-hybrid-bike-26
Thanks for this. I'm five foot and have severe Rheumatoid Arthritis so a lighter bike may be better, this could definitely be an option. I'll take a closer look. Really appreciate the suggestion :smile:
 
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licklelilli

licklelilli

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Take a look here as an initial benchmark - the small is a 15" frame (well, 14.96" frame if you want to be specific!) and it will soak up the worst you can throw at it, is light and well-priced, and comes as standard with cushioning 38mm tyres. A very different style of bike, but I think rather better than the more traditional style in many respects.

https://www.evanscycles.com/pinnacle-lithium-1-womens-2016-hybrid-bike-EV244093
Thank you for this. I take it by the comment on the tyres that a wider tyre is more cushioning? Is that the case? Or would that make a road commute unnecessarily slow and is more for mountain biking?
 

Bonefish Blues

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Sure, but posting "rather better than the more traditional style" for a cheap alloy bike that looks worse in most ways seems rather strange and the guidelines of the site say "Do not simply put down the opinion or advice given by others. If you don’t agree with it, say why (respectfully), don’t just tell them they are wrong" so I've attempted to explain why I disagree with that counterpoint. The points like having decent handlebars, guards and racks or wider gear range are not purely technical: they affect how easy it is to use the bike.
This bike has the same frame and forks as the ones that Evans sell as the Pinnacle 6. I think we can take it that it's good quality, so characterising it as a "cheap alloy bike" with the phrase's associated negative connotations isn't terribly helpful to the OP.
There are few bikes built with 36 spoke wheels nowadays, and a vanishingly small number built with 40-spoke wheels, so I fail to see this particular relevance to the OP, particularly as a well-built 32 spoke wheel is more than adequate for the OP's purpose.
I fail similarly fail to see why the Pinnacle's handlebars would need replacement with "comfortable" ones?
A rack and mudguards can be added at purchase for models of the buyer's choice which suited her needs. That would make the bike somewhat heavier, but one would suggest still significantly lighter than the type of bike you are suggesting. Similarly seats are very personal, so changing at purchase point is often the case, as you would also be aware. I know that Evans in particular are accommodating of point of purchase changes.
Gear ranges, yes, a hub gear's wider than the P1, but the bikes you list are at a more elevated price point so of course we're not comparing like-for-like. Let's have a look at the Pinnacle 3, still at a pricepoint below the models you cited: https://www.evanscycles.com/pinnacle-lithium-3-womens-2016-hybrid-bike-EV244095 Here we have a triple, which has sufficient range, I'd suggest. Not sure whether this model has a "decent" handlebar or not, based on your definition - or rather your assertion that the P1 would need one fitting.
All models in the Litium range get very good feedback from buyers, and I think represent particularly good value at their price points (I have no connection whatsoever to Evans BTW).
As I said, I was posting this as a counterpoint, but since you asked for a detailed exposition under the guidlines of the site, there you go.
OP, hope that helps, as I indicated, this might not be the type of bike for you, but might be worth a look, especially if you want a model that has the capability to take you cycling elsewhere than the urban jungle.:smile:
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OP, if you do decide you want a light, well-specced upright more traditional style bike, perhaps this one might suit: http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Kona-Coco-Womens-2016-Hybrid-Classic-Bike_82181.htm
 
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Bonefish Blues

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Thank you for this. I take it by the comment on the tyres that a wider tyre is more cushioning? Is that the case? Or would that make a road commute unnecessarily slow and is more for mountain biking?
Absolutely - you can tun a bigger tyre at a lower pressure and feel the benefits of greater cusioning and (IMHO!) not feel significant downside in terms of speed and agility, providing you choose the right tyre.

A tyre such as this one will give you those benefits (at the price a real bargain): http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVIVOHY/vittoria-voyager-hyper-folding-tyre

My wife has one on the rear of her hybrid.
 

Cycleops

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Thank you for this. I take it by the comment on the tyres that a wider tyre is more cushioning? Is that the case? Or would that make a road commute unnecessarily slow and is more for mountain biking?

Wider tyres will feel more comfortable and as Bonefish Blues says you can can run them at a lower pressure which will give you an even softer ride. There is a trade off though between comfort and increased pedalling effort but it's not that great but you'll find a medium which is right for you. You really need to get yourself down to a good LBS or even Halfords and try a few bikes then you can gauge for yourself.

I had a supremely comfortable hybrid with 37c tyres (quite big) but it also had a hydraulic sprung seatpost which might help you.
 
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