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jimboalee

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peanut said:
well i'd have to disagree with one of your statements Jimbo. It may take months to build muscle on some folk particularly ectomorphs but a mesomorph like me can build huge muscle mass in just a few weeks.

In 6-8 weeks of heavy building work I can increase my forearms from the current 15" to 18" When taking up cycling again last year my thighs increased from 22.5" to 26" in 2 months.

With such a marked preponderance of fast twitch muscle I can barely achieve 80rpm cruising but can sit at 60-70rpm all day with considerable accelerative power.

Each of my legs weigh an estimated 3.5+ Stones(22Kg) so you can see it would be counter-productive to try to shift that muscle mass at anything approaching 90 rpm

I agree this is an extreme case but the example illustrates my points about building muscle and ideal cadence .

I would say you are not disagreeing with my statement, but suggesting I have underestimated the growth rate of some individuals.

After experience, it is wiser to tell a client the lower expectation, and then after half my estimated timescale, the client is more than pleased with their progress and comes to their next session full of enthusiasm to get bigger quicker than their PT instructor has said.

Not you, but many more would disagree with me if I was to say "Building muscle for more power, to get more speed - takes HOURS, even DAYS."
 

peanut

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jimboalee said:
Not you, but many more would disagree with me if I was to say "Building muscle for more power, to get more speed - takes HOURS, even DAYS."


no-one suggested hours or days ?
I was just pointing out that building muscle depends predominantly on the body and muscle type and can be weeks rather than months or years as you stated.
If you are training people you will doubtess be aware of the conventional body types ecto,endo and meso morphs and how that affects building muscle;)
 

jimboalee

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peanut said:
no-one suggested hours or days ?
I was just pointing out that building muscle depends predominantly on the body and muscle type and can be weeks rather than months or years as you stated.
If you are training people you will doubtess be aware of the conventional body types ecto,endo and meso morphs and how that affects building muscle:biggrin:

Yup.

In every sport, there are individuals who excell at a young age. Those get to be world champions.

In cycling, check the ages of the majority of 'Domestiques' in the peleton. They are in their mid twenties to thirty. They have been riding bikes since they were at junior school and progresively got stronger over the years. Repeat - Years.

Most amatuer and leisure riders will admit they are ( or were ) at there peak either now ( those in their twenties or thirties ), or years ago ( those in their forties ).
Some in their forties might say they are at their strongest now.

If there was a poll of riders which asked "are you still getting stronger?" the answer would be "yes".

From nothing to everything takes years, I'm sorry. From nothing to something might take weeks, but will anyone be satisfied with something when there is opportunity to have everything?
To realise that opportunity does take years.
 

peanut

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I wasn't talking about strength and endurance of pro cyclists jimbo I was taking issue on your statement that developing muscle mass always takes years. It does not.:biggrin:
 

jimboalee

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peanut said:
I wasn't talking about strength and endurance of pro cyclists jimbo I was taking issue on your statement that developing muscle mass always takes years. It does not.:biggrin:

You must be talking about the mediocrity most people are satisfied with.

I admit, if a person's aim is low, they can get there sooner.
 

peanut

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jimboalee said:
You must be talking about the mediocrity most people are satisfied with.

I admit, if a person's aim is low, they can get there sooner.

if you are talking about the mediocrity of my 18" forearms or my 26" thighs maybe you should feel one wrapped round your neck before you decide :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

jimboalee

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As for muscle gain rates, 1/2 lb per week is about the most anyone can be expect, ON THEIR WHOLE BODY! using a very comprehensive workout routine working ALL the musclegroups necessary to compete in Bodybuilding contests.

If you're only cycling, divide this by three.

70 g per week of leg muscle increase ???

Naw, 40 g per week because the intensity is nowhere near MAX.

That means if you want to put on a kilo of lean muscle, its going to take 25 weeks, 6 months to be certain.

2 kilos ( one per leg ) is going to take one year.

And the story continues.
 

peanut

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jimboalee said:
As for muscle gain rates, 1/2 lb per week is about the most anyone can be expect,
That means if you want to put on a kilo of lean muscle, its going to take 25 weeks, 6 months to be certain.

2 kilos ( one per leg ) is going to take one year.

jimbo you talk a roadacarp sometimes:biggrin:
 

lukesdad

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Jimbo I think you need to get your head out of these books and start taking on board other peoples views based on years of experience.
 

peanut

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lukesdad said:
Jimbo I think you need to get your head out of these books and start taking on board other peoples views based on years of experience.

I don't think he heard you ;) ..... he's got his head stuck in a book :eek::biggrin:
 

jimboalee

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peanut said:
jimbo you talk a roadacarp sometimes:biggrin:

There's nothing like a bit of 'selective editing', is there Peanut?

How To Gain Lean Bodyweight, Part 1 – Calories



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tom2.jpg Author: Tom Venuto - is a lifetime natural bodybuilder,
personal trainer, gym owner, freelance writer, and author
of Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle: Fat Burning Secrets
of the World’s Best Bodybuilders and Fitness Models.

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The secret to gaining lean bodyweight is calories. Most people who want to gain weight and are having a difficult time doing so just aren't eating enough. Simple isn't it? Of course there's more to it than just calories; like the nutrient density, calorie density, meal frequency and the ratio of calories from carbohydrate, protein and fat. There's also proper training, recuperation and sleep to factor in too. But when it comes to gaining lean weight, calories are the bottom line just the same. No matter what you eat and no matter how hard you train, if you're not eating enough it is physiologically impossible to gain muscle.
There are many factors involved in gaining lean bodyweight, but the starting point is to calculate your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE), which is the number of calories you require to maintain your bodyweight. According to exercise physiologists William McArdle and Frank Katch in their excellent textbook, Exercise Physiology, the average TDEE for women in the United States is 2000-2100 calories per day and the average TDEE for men is 2700-2900 per day. To calculate TDEE you must first determine your basal metabolic rate (BMR). Your BMR is defined as the minimum level of energy required to sustain the body's vital functions in the waking state.
Here's a simple formula developed by Dr. Fred Hatfield of the International Sports Sciences Association that you can use to estimate your BMR based on your bodyweight in kilograms. (One kilogram is 2.2 lbs.)
Men's BMR = 1 X body weight (kg) X 24
Women's BMR = .9 X body weight (kg) X 24

Example:
You are male
You weigh 172 lbs. (78 kilos)
Your BMR = 1 X 78 X 24 = 1872 calories

The formula above is based on total body weight, not lean body mass, therefore it will be fairly accurate provided your body fat levels are not above the average ranges (14-19% for men, 20-25% for women). If your body fat is substantially higher than average, then basing caloric needs on total bodyweight alone will overestimate calorie expenditure.
If you know your lean body mass, then you can get an even more accurate estimation of your BMR. This formula from Katch & McArdle takes into account lean mass and therefore is more accurate. The difference in calorie expenditure between men and women is due to the fact that men generally have a higher lean body mass and a larger total body surface area. Since this formula accounts for lean body mass, it applies equally to men and women.
BMR (men and women) = 370 + (21.6 X lean mass in kg)
Example:
You are male
You weigh 172 lbs (78 kilos)
Your body fat percentage is 14% (24.1 lbs fat, 147.9 lbs lean)
Your lean mass is 147.9 lbs (67.2 kilos)
Your BMR = 370 + (21.6 X 67.2) = 1821 calories

Now that you know your BMR, you can calculate TDEE by multiplying your BMR by the following activity factor.
Activity factor
Sedentary =BMR X 1.2
Lightly active = BMR X 1.375
Moderately active = BMR X 1.55
Very active = BMR X 1. 725
Extremely active =BMR X 1.9

Continuing with the previous example:
You are a 172 lb. male with 14% body fat and a BMR of 1821
Your activity level is moderately active (work out 3-4 times per week)
Your activity factor is 1.55
Your TDEE = 1.55 X 1821 = 2822 calories

Once you've determined your TDEE, the second step is to increase your calories high enough above your TDEE that you can gain weight. It is a basic law of energy balance that you must be on a positive calorie balance diet to gain muscular bodyweight. If you consume the exact amount of your TDEE you will simply maintain your weight. Generally speaking, you'll need to add another 300-500 calories per day onto your TDEE in order to gain weight. To be more specific, add a minimum of two calories per pound of bodyweight on top of your TDEE to determine your optimal caloric intake to gain weight.
Continuing with our example:
Your weight is 172 lbs.
Your TDEE is 2822 calories
Your additional calorie requirement for weight gain is 2 X 172 = 344
Your optimal caloric intake for weight gain is 2822 + 344 = 3166

Using the formulas above, we have determined that our "typical" 172 lb. moderately active male will need 3166 calories to gain weight. Keep in mind that this is merely an estimate: All calorie expenditure formulas are estimations. Due to genetic factors, there may be a 20% variance of BMR either way. Age is another factor that you may want to take into consideration. According to Dr. William Evans, PhD., one of the world's leading authorities on exercise and aging, we may need as much as 100 calories less per day per decade to maintain our body weight. Also consider that certain athletes train so frequently and so intensely that their TDEE can be off the normal activity scale limit of 1.9. Daily energy expenditure can be much higher for competitive athletes or extremely active individuals. Some triathletes and marathon runners have been reported to require as many as 5000-6000 calories per day or more just to maintain their weight!
Don't just focus on gaining weight. It doesn't do you any good to gain weight if most of it is fat. The goal of a weight gain program is to gain lean muscle mass with little or no increase in body fat. If you have access to body fat testing, get it done every 1 -2 weeks. If you find yourself gaining fat, first add in 20-30 minutes of cardio 3-4 days per week. If, after adding cardio you still gain fat and the quality and quantity of calories is correct, then you will need to begin cycling your calories up and down in a "zig-zag" fashion. Three high calorie days at your optimum calorie intake for weight gain, followed by three lower calorie days at or slightly below your maintenance level (TDEE) will allow you to add solid weight while keeping your body fat in check.
Using these calorie guidelines, you can expect to gain muscular bodyweight at a rate of 1/2 to 1 lb. per week, or slightly slower if you are female. If two weeks go by and you haven't gained any weight, you're doing something wrong; most likely, you're not eating enough and you should increase your calories. After 3 - 4 months, the rate of muscle gain tends to slow down closer to 1/2 pound per week. Eventually, as you get closer and closer to your genetic limit for carrying muscle mass, the rate of muscle gain will slow down to 1/4 lb per week. Even at this rate, that's still 13 pounds of solid muscle per year.
In Part Two of "How to Gain Lean Bodyweight" will discuss meal frequency, meal ratios, caloric density and proper food choices for packing on the muscle. For more information on gaining lean muscle mass, check out The Bio-Genetic Weight Gain System. Learn the FACTS on exactly how, what & when to eat to achieve maximum lean muscle gains with minimum bodyfat in record time, & discover precisely which muscle building supplements can help you achieve those goals and which ones are just hype.


YOU ALL should read some books sometime.
 

montage

God Almighty
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Bethlehem
Jimbo...what would be the best routines to throw into rides in order to increase sprinting speed?

They way I view it, sprinting is vital in the UK as that is how very many of the races are won (at least around here) .... so I really need to up my game in that department
 
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