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BoldonLad

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South Tyneside
Not really. When towing, range is reduced by between 25% and 50% depending on what you are towing. If you have a smaller car which already only has a sub-200 mile range, if you want to go very far, you are going to need a lot of stops.

With a 200 to 250 mile range, you still have 200-250 miles of range. So London to North Wales = 1 stop instead of 3.
Example:-
A Mini Electric has about 145 miles of range, but about 80 to 100 miles on a motorway. It gets about 4 miles to the KWH when city driving.
An MG ZS standard range has about 115 to 145 miles of range on a motorway, and the long range between 160 and 200 miles.

Stick a trailer on the Mini and you are probably down to 50 miles of range. The MG ZS doesn't need a trailer.

Surely it depends on size, weight and possibly shape of trailer? I don’t have actual experience of towing with an EV, but, towing a motorcycle on a trailer, behind an ICE vehicle only reduced mpg by about 1/15th. That was overall on a 1000 mile journey.

I see @figbat beat me to it 😀
 

CXRAndy

Guru
Location
Lincs
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New shape model 3 out and about
 

Beebo

Firm and Fruity
Location
Hexleybeef
Anyone got an Ionic 5.
I’m thinking of taking the plunge with a company car.
They seem to be well reviewed, as a genuine Tesla competitor, are they big enough for a family car?
 

albion

Guru
What is going on?
Teslas are all insurance group 50 and now the Ioniq 5 has moved from 29 to 40 right up to group 49.

The falling sales headlines strangely ignore the latest eye watering insurance costs.
 

figbat

Slippery scientist
Question away.
Here's a useful article which links to real world research.
https://zecar.com/resources/electric-car-towing-guide

The TLDR is that for an EV range was reduced by 57% for a caravan and as EVs have smaller range and longer refuel times than ICE cars, that does make a big difference.

I pointed out the difference between towing a caravan and a camping trailer. I also offered experience that mirrors the claims made in the “article”. But towing a trailer is nothing like towing a caravan.
 
It's irrelevant about the small car vs big car debate for me. We currently have at least two significant car, well currently van, trips a year. Last summer we did close to 1000 miles. We do a lot 6500 miles a year currently. The second trip last year was about 800 ish miles. So 1800 out of 6500 or 27% of our annual mileage comes from a heavily loaded trip with long distances travelled. That's not including weekend trips, trips to visit family once a month (parents getting old with on ill).

Then there's taxi duties. There's a reason all the families in our group of friends have bigger cars it's carrying kids and kit around. We're currently using a borrowed corsa and fitting 4 kids and driver plus kit it really feels sluggish and everyone is cramped in the back. It's an ICE corsa so I've no idea if the equivalent sized EV would beep as sluggish. It's just something we just can't go for. Not least because at 196cm I'm not built for a corsa sized car. It's just so uncomfortable driving or being a passenger. Getting a driving position is not great, I have to practically put the seat back, drop the seat and tilt it back too much for my liking to take my head off the ceiling of the car.

Most of our annual mileage I'd estimate to be based on 60 plus miles with a boot full of luggage. We don't use the car to commute. We probably do two 20 to 30 mile round trips a week on essentials. Add in a few local 5 mile each way trips locally. No doubt t a few more local trips of varying length but not great miles all adds up to 6500 miles per year. So I think we'd like a car to do trips up to say Oban or Fort William with 1 or 2 stops. With luggage. I think you'd need a bigger car, say an astra sized cat upwards. Currently if ICE we think a hyundai ix35 is the type of carb that suits our needs. We had one as a courtesy car when someone took our car out of action. It worked well for us.
 
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icowden

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Location
Surrey
It's irrelevant about the small car vs big car debate for me. We currently have at least two significant car, well currently van, trips a year. Last summer we did close to 1000 miles. We do a lot 6500 miles a year currently. The second trip last year was about 800 ish miles. So 1800 out of 6500 or 27% of our annual mileage comes from a heavily loaded trip with long distances travelled. That's not including weekend trips, trips to visit family once a month (parents getting old with on ill).
So it's back to my original post. For your 10k budget, your best bet is an MG5 or MGZS, ideally the long range ZS EV would be your best bet, but the cheapest at the moment on Autotrader is £16,995. £11995 for the normal range model. The MG5 Estate comes in a little cheaper.
 

Cavalol

Legendary Member
Location
Chester
The mg brand is really SAIC now I think. What are Chinese cars like and do they have a dealership network in the UK?

They've been Chinese for quite some time now. IIRC, the MG6 was about the first car they produced, which included a re-hashed K-seires (petrol) engine. People do seem to suggest it's uprated though and that the head gasket problems were a thing of the past.

153 MG sales sites in the UK (from an internet search, not sure how old the data is) and the local one said they're the 2nd best selling EV in Britain, behind Tesla.
 

DRM

Guru
Location
West Yorks
What is going on?
Teslas are all insurance group 50 and now the Ioniq 5 has moved from 29 to 40 right up to group 49.

The falling sales headlines strangely ignore the latest eye watering insurance costs.

I think the problem with insurance groupings is the readiness of the insurance companies being willing to write EV's off, when they've sustained far less accident damage than an ICE car, as the assessors can't really guarantee if the battery has sustained damage to the cells or not, with consequences further along in time, despite the fact that there may well be absolutely nothing wrong with it, I did read an article where collision damaged Teslas were being exported to Ukraine, then being repaired there, and put back into use, perhaps there's an opportunity for a battery specialist to strip the battery packs to check and rebuild them if found to be damaged in crashed EV's, as well as provide an after market cell replacement service for older EV's.
 

Jenkins

Legendary Member
Location
Felixstowe
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The ZS has a slightly better range and has V2L so you can use the battery to power appliances. I'd be going for something like this:-
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403187682648?sort=relevance&fuel-type=Electric&make=MG&postcode=KT12 2YA&price-to=10000&advertising-location=at_cars&fromsra

Everything else in the SUV class at that price is the fugly Kia Soul. If you can spring to 12k you'll get much lower mileage MGs, plus the odd Hyundai and DS3 in the mix.

Going slightly off topic, this car is no longer avaialble, but the advert redirects to similar vehicles (see below), two of which are 2021 MG5s for under £10k - given that these are only 3 years old at most and would have cost £28k new, that's some depreciation (65%). Is there an image problem with the MG electric range (the ZS above was a similar age & price) or is there a similar depreciation with other makes?
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icowden

icowden

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Location
Surrey
is there a similar depreciation with other makes?

I checked my ID4 2023 edition recently (RRP 49k) which is now 1.5 years old with 20k miles on the clock. Webuyanycar reckons it's now worth 28k. So that's 21k depreciation in 17 months...

So maybe!
 
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