EV Owners Thread

[cougie uk]

My Ioniq 5 has vehicle to grid capability but it’s very hard to send power back to the grid at present.
However it comes with a 3 pin plug adapter. So I can go camping off grid and run a fridge and washing machine from the car if I wanted to.
I could also use it to run a 4 way socket at home in a power cut.

Or charge itself !

 

[Beebo]

Or charge itself !

They claim you can charge other cars. I presume it’s very slow, but if someone has reached 0% I could give them a few miles to get home.

 

[Rusty Nails]

"Apples are higher in vitamins A, E, and B1, while pears are higher in vitamins B3 and K. Both fruits have similar amounts of vitamins C and B2, and equal amounts of potassium, phosphorous, and sodium. Pears also contain more iron, calcium, magnesium, copper, and zinc than apples.

Both fruits are high in fibre, which can help improve gut health, lower cholesterol, and reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes. A medium pear contains about 30% more fiber than an apple of the same size.

Apples contain phytochemicals like flavonoids, carotenoids, and phenolics, which may help reduce the risk of cancer, cardiovascular disease, asthma, and some types of dementia.

Apples may promote weight loss and improve brain health. Pears are free from fat and cholesterol."

They come in many different varieties and colours and, personally, I prefer apples but have no problems understanding why many people may prefer/choose pears, and their choice of pears does not impact on my enjoyment of apples.

 

[CXRAndy]

"Apples are higher in vitamins A, E, and B1, while pears are higher in vitamins B3 and K. Both fruits have similar amounts of vitamins C and B2, and equal amounts of potassium, phosphorous, and sodium. Pears also contain more iron, calcium, magnesium, copper, and zinc than apples.

Both fruits are high in fibre, which can help improve gut health, lower cholesterol, and reduce the risk of type 2 diabetes. A medium pear contains about 30% more fiber than an apple of the same size.

Apples contain phytochemicals like flavonoids, carotenoids, and phenolics, which may help reduce the risk of cancer, cardiovascular disease, asthma, and some types of dementia.

Apples may promote weight loss and improve brain health. Pears are free from fat and cholesterol."

They come in many different varieties and colours and, personally, I prefer apples but have no problems understanding why many people may prefer/choose pears, and their choice of pears does not impact on my enjoyment of apples.

Is this in the wrong thread? 🧵

 

[Rusty Nails]

Is this in the wrong thread? 🧵

I hope not, or perhaps I should start eating more pears.

 

[mikeIow]

This is true, nothing suits everyone. But for the vast majority using and owning an EV is not much difference to a ICE vehicle.
The more folk who do use them there will be less pollution in built up areas, leading to health improvements. Slow moving EVs are very much quieter than ICE vehicles

So essentially his Garage loaned him a car which they hadn't charged and he was the unfortunate victim of crime.

Personally I'd have complained to the garage about loaning a car that wasn't fully organised mostly charged.

As experts in EV usage, I applaud your responses.....but you're not looking at the issue from the perspective of a non-EV expert!

I firmly disagree withe Andy suggesting most people would see no difference in their daily driving life.
Unless they have a £1K home chargepoint on their private driveway, then they absolutely would see a difference. Even as someone who has owned one for years, I would plan for longer journeys, like our run from Leics to Devon then the IOW 2 months ago.

Charging in public - look at my pal's experience!
I rarely charge in public, but have had 2 occasions to call the company to release the cable, and on another, had to give up on two failing chargepoints. Can't recall a failing petrol pump: can you?

You fail to remember that the average driver wouldn't necessarily know to check it was full, or indeed have a clue how much to put in.

Feels odd to be arguing against EV usage: we will see more uptake over the years ahead, but not without more challenging experiences for people - verbal fisticuffs over who was next in line will be de rigor, I predict.
I love ours, but I am not blinded by my experience, as a retiree with time, money & a driveway with a chargepoint.

 

[Gunk]

As experts in EV usage, I applaud your responses.....but you're not looking at the issue from the perspective of a non-EV expert!

I firmly disagree withe Andy suggesting most people would see no difference in their daily driving life.
Unless they have a £1K home chargepoint on their private driveway, then they absolutely would see a difference. Even as someone who has owned one for years, I would plan for longer journeys, like our run from Leics to Devon then the IOW 2 months ago.

Charging in public - look at my pal's experience!
I rarely charge in public, but have had 2 occasions to call the company to release the cable, and on another, had to give up on two failing chargepoints. Can't recall a failing petrol pump: can you?

You fail to remember that the average driver wouldn't necessarily know to check it was full, or indeed have a clue how much to put in.

Feels odd to be arguing against EV usage: we will see more uptake over the years ahead, but not without more challenging experiences for people - verbal fisticuffs over who was next in line will be de rigor, I predict.
I love ours, but I am not blinded by my experience, as a retiree with time, money & a driveway with a chargepoint.

You have completely described our circumstances, we are both semi-retired, work part time from home, have a driveway and a home charger. For us three months of EV ownership has been completely painless and has completely suited our lifestyle, however I was still doing 20,000 business miles a year as I was last year, then another BMW 330d touring would be on the driveway instead.

 

[chris-suffolk]

- verbal fisticuffs over who was next in line will be de rigor, I predict.

If it didn't take so long to charge, then people would be more prepared to wait if somebody 'barged in'

People push into queues at the pumps, but given it only holds them up for a matter of minutes it's not so bad. If I'd been waiting ages for a free charger, and then got 'bounced' so I had to wait ages again while the next car charged I'd be miffed too.

Why can't they standardise the battery, and have it roll out and then a new charged one inserted? Bit like Alkaline AA batteries vs rechargable ones. Then you could pull into a charging station/warehouse, swap the battery and be away in only a few minutes. Or is that just too much like a common sense answer to the problem?

 

[figbat]

"Both fruits have […] equal amounts of potassium, phosphorous…”

😡 Neither has any phosphorous. They may well contain equal amounts of phosphorus.

Sorry, pet peeve. That and “millenium”.

 

[CXRAndy]

I firmly disagree withe Andy suggesting most people would see no difference in their daily driving life

These are not my stats, these are gathered from years of data gathering.

95% of all journeys in the western world are less than 35 miles per day.

50% of all journeys are less than 2 miles per day.

Long journeys are few and far between for most folk.

If 95% of all journeys are less than 35 miles per day, then an EV is more than capable of replacing an ICE vehicle.

 

[DRM]

If it didn't take so long to charge, then people would be more prepared to wait if somebody 'barged in'

People push into queues at the pumps, but given it only holds them up for a matter of minutes it's not so bad. If I'd been waiting ages for a free charger, and then got 'bounced' so I had to wait ages again while the next car charged I'd be miffed too.

Why can't they standardise the battery, and have it roll out and then a new charged one inserted? Bit like Alkaline AA batteries vs rechargable ones. Then you could pull into a charging station/warehouse, swap the battery and be away in only a few minutes. Or is that just too much like a common sense answer to the problem?

Battery changeover is a thing on fork trucks, but even then in the same manufacturer the batteries are all different, Reach trucks, Counterbalance, VNA (Man or Woman up) Powered Pallet Trucks/Pallet stackers & order pickers are all different, then take into account that the big four manufacturers, Linde, Jungheinrich, Toyota & Crown all have different battery cases, usually in a big warehouse they may have around 60-70 different types of machine from one provider, the charging area these days are better set up, they have control systems that tell you which battery to take, but if a battery isn't fully charged you are still going nowhere, it's better now Li-Ion batteries are available, but visualise 60-70 batteries in a rack charging, then multiply that by the amount of EV cars on the road in the U.K alone, there just isn't the resources in the earth to build that many spare batteries

 

[chris-suffolk]

Battery changeover is a thing on fork trucks, but even then in the same manufacturer the batteries are all different, Reach trucks, Counterbalance, VNA (Man or Woman up) Powered Pallet Trucks/Pallet stackers & order pickers are all different, then take into account that the big four manufacturers, Linde, Jungheinrich, Toyota & Crown all have different battery cases, usually in a big warehouse they may have around 60-70 different types of machine from one provider, the charging area these days are better set up, they have control systems that tell you which battery to take, but if a battery isn't fully charged you are still going nowhere, it's better now Li-Ion batteries are available, but visualise 60-70 batteries in a rack charging, then multiply that by the amount of EV cars on the road in the U.K alone, there just isn't the resources in the earth to build that many spare batteries

Not now, no. But if we'd thought it out from the start, then we wouldn't need all the differences They could be modular to enable different capacities and we wouldn't need nearly as many options, and therefore nothing like the total capacity.

 

[icowden]

Not now, no. But if we'd thought it out from the start, then we wouldn't need all the differences They could be modular to enable different capacities and we wouldn't need nearly as many options, and therefore nothing like the total capacity.

I believe some manufacturers did look at it but the cost, weight, and difficulty of swapping was just far less effective than charging. Now that the race is on to perfect high capacity EV batteries, I suspect that in 10 to 20 years we will be looking back at these big old slow batteries just like we look back at the ZX Spectrum from a computing point of view.

 

[mikeIow]

These are not my stats, these are gathered from years of data gathering.

95% of all journeys in the western world are less than 35 miles per day.

50% of all journeys are less than 2 miles per day.

Long journeys are few and far between for most folk.

If 95% of all journeys are less than 35 miles per day, then an EV is more than capable of replacing an ICE vehicle.

What do they say?
Lies, damned lies & statistics 🤣

You go from suggesting the answer to my earlier questions was a 40-50K Tesla, through suggesting my ‘needs’ were somehow ‘special’ (thanks for that one 🤦‍♂️), to claiming that EVs can easily replace cars for everyone today 👀

Sorry, but that is a very one-sided and some might say laughable perspective from someone who has made it fit their lifestyle
Well done to you 💪

Do you still work? Driving 15-25K miles a year?
If so, I can see how a Tesla might work.
Of course some people refuse to own a car that is intrinsically linked to the lunatic megalomaniac that is Elon Musk, but others either bought in before realising that, or turn a blind eye to it 🤷‍♂️

EVs fit a good 60-70% of my lifestyle too….but I’m retired, and have access to my trusty XC60 for the rest of it. I feel very lucky on both counts 👍

Were I still in my day job, where a lot of journeys were laughably higher than the sub-35 miles you suggest, then (like Gunk) the EV would not be my driving weapon of choice 🍻

 

[icowden]

Were I still in my day job, where a lot of journeys were laughably higher than the sub-35 miles you suggest, then (like Gunk) the EV would not be my driving weapon of choice 🍻

Even with higher mileage, the right EV is usually adequate. 200+ miles in a day is a lot of driving, and more than most people would do in the vast majority of jobs.