Energy bill increases

[PaulSB]

its criminal what we are being charged.....

It's far from criminal and results from a combination of privatised energy supply (people effectively voted for this), supply and demand pressures, war in Ukraine, government failure to invest in UK energy supply and a lack of initiatives to insulate homes making them as energy efficient as possible.

The big question we all have to ask ourselves is why have we been so profligate with energy until six months ago?

 

[jowwy]

i think people have taken the word criminal as literal here, rather than a figure of speech....never mind hey.

 

[Scaleyback]

Less than 5% of gas used in the UK comes from overseas.

Where do you get those figures please ?
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Natural gas piped from the North Sea and the East Irish Sea to refineries on land makes up 44% of the UK's gas production. Around 47% of the UK's gas supply now comes from across Europe - predominantly Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, and Russia - through long distance pipelines.26 Aug 2022
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[Alex321]

Where do you get those figures please ?
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Natural gas piped from the North Sea and the East Irish Sea to refineries on land makes up 44% of the UK's gas production. Around 47% of the UK's gas supply now comes from across Europe - predominantly Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, and Russia - through long distance pipelines.26 Aug 2022
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To be pedantically literal, he said from "overseas", while those long distance pipelines are "underseas"

 

[mjr]

i never voted for increased gas and elec prices....when was this vote taken place??? this is to do with my household bills...nothing to do with NACA

Arguably every election since 1987's, but most significantly 2010 ( further deregulation), 2017 (flawed price cap system) and 2019 ( not dealing with the flaws even as the brown stuff was visibly heading to the fan).

You may not have voted for any of those, but "the people" did.

 

[jowwy]

Where do you get those figures please ?
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Natural gas piped from the North Sea and the East Irish Sea to refineries on land makes up 44% of the UK's gas production. Around 47% of the UK's gas supply now comes from across Europe - predominantly Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, and Russia - through long distance pipelines.26 Aug 2022
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yeh its less than 5% from russia......

 

[fossyant]

The stuff from Qatar comes in to Milford Haven by ship and is then piped into Gloucestershire. The company I worked for at the time built the pipeline - some amazing engineering going on.

 

[jowwy]

So less than 4% from russia.....

 

[icowden]

This week, I would say it has been the first 'proper' week of winter, and the first proper week since last winter, the boiler has been literally burning cash. Essentially £20/day in heating, so £600/month roughly for Dec-Jan. Bare in mind current gas prices are 'capped', uncapped/market rates are close to 25p/kWh for gas, so £50/day at current usage!!!!

We've managed to use 2132kwh over the last month, so 71kwh per day on gas. 😢 Up to £12 per day now.
I'm paying similar to you - £620 over the last month, but most of it is leccy. The Car has pushed the cost up, but I'm not paying £200+ on diesel each month, so trying to see the positive.

 

[Alex321]

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So less than 4% from russia.....

Yes, but the Russia "problem" has caused demand from everywhere else to be much higher, thus pushing up prices worldwide, even if very little of what we buy actually comes from Russia.

 

[Scaleyback]

We've managed to use 2132kwh over the last month, so 71kwh per day on gas. 😢 Up to £12 per day now.
I'm paying similar to you - £620 over the last month, but most of it is leccy. The Car has pushed the cost up, but I'm not paying £200+ on diesel each month, so trying to see the positive.

Over the last 24 hrs (to 09:30 this a.m) we used 75Kwh of gas, that is on a par with your 2132kwh last month. 3 bed 1983 detached, dble glazed, cav wall. We are in rural North Yorkshire (brrr!) Unusual weather conditions (as with much of the UK) 12 noon today still -3C (freezing fog) I keep my Stat at 18.5C 06:00 - 21:30. Stat is in the coldest room so the lounge is usually 20c minimum. We are certainly warm enough and I 'feel' for anyone who wants more warmth but cannot afford it.

 

[jowwy]

Yes, but the Russia "problem" has caused demand from everywhere else to be much higher, thus pushing up prices worldwide, even if very little of what we buy actually comes from Russia.

i agree........it hasnt helped, but its time we uncoupled electric and gas prices and started using and paying for more green energy from suppliers via wind, solar, hydro etc etc..

 

[Kingfisher101]

The gas prices were going up way, way before the war in the Ukraine anyway. Even if there were a ceasefire tomorrow I think the high prices are here to stay for a while yet.

 

[PaulSB]

i think people have taken the word criminal as literal here, rather than a figure of speech....never mind hey.

Nope, I knew it was a figure of speech but it is still far from criminal, simply a result of the points I listed.

 

[PaulSB]

I took our meter readings this morning and I'm delighted to find consumption gas is down 20% from the same period last year. 2021 - 2002kWh with 2022 at 1625 for the past month. Still looking at £168 for the month but that reduction is worth +/- £35. Electricity is down 11% from 256kWh to 227kWh so a saving worth +/- £12.50.

For our first challenging month we've reduced consumption saving, at today's prices, +/-£47.50. Excellent result and a decent reward for our efforts to date