Electric scooters.

[Badger_Boom]

Has he said anything that isn't already commonly known?

No, but he’s said it on YouTube.

 

[Badger_Boom]

There was an interesting segment on Newsnight earlier with a representative of an organisation representing visually impaired people and someone from one of the scooter hire operators (Tier). It felt like a it of a battle of anecdata.

 

[Lozz360]

Thankfully there aren't many of them around here. If i hit one,or more likely one hits me and there's damage to my car can i claim off them?

If the scooter is part of a rental scheme then yes. If it is privately owned, then you can try claiming, but the scooter will not be insured as it is not possible to get insurance for something that is not legal.

 

[Lozz360]

I find it pretty wild that people are using the same arguments here that are routinely used to demonise cyclists.

For the same reason perhaps? Car drivers demonise cyclists because they fear that cycling is threatening motoring. Cyclists see the rapid uptake of e scooters and have the same anxiety.

 

[Lozz360]

Has he said anything that isn't already commonly known?

Maybe not, but he is providing an answer to the OP in clear detail.

 

[slowmotion]

I'd like to try out an e-scooter but I haven't got a black hoodie and trackie bottoms to wear on it. Would a black cycling top and shorts be acceptable?

Don't forget the hipster beard, ear buds and smug grimace.

 

[Bazzer]

Has he said anything that isn't already commonly known?

Well clearly it wasn't so commonly known otherwise the OP wouldn't have raised the question. It was also news to me and I would imagine to others who viewed this thread.

 

[dodgy]

Alright guys, bloody hell, I wasn't being snarky, I was genuinely wondering if the legal guy had added some insight that wasn't generally known. I think we can agree that it is generally known only rental e-scooters are legal. Having now had to time to watch the video I can see that no, he hasn't added any additional legal insight, but it is a good video to watch if you claim to be completely ignorant around the legalities of escooters in public places.

 

[ianrauk]

Meanwhile in Orpington. A 16 year old on a scooter ride was killed by a drunk driver.

 

[captain nemo1701]

For the same reason perhaps? Car drivers demonise cyclists because they fear that cycling is threatening motoring. Cyclists see the rapid uptake of e scooters and have the same anxiety.

E scooters are an evolution from 'go peds'. There used to be a twonk here in Bristol who had a petrol driven scooter in the 90's. Awful thing, very noisy lawnmower engine, rank smell of fumes as he went by. Once almost crashed into me when I was waiting at a bust stop because the fool was riding it on the pavement. Switch the lawnmower engine for an electric motor and hey presto!...the 'micromobility revolution'. Same dumb idea - souping up a toy- but now it's cool & trendy. Saw someone going down the road last night on one balancing a suitcase on it.....

 

[KnittyNorah]

Meanwhile in Orpington. A 16 year old on a scooter ride was killed by a drunk driver.

Both illegal behaviours, but one of them is - IMO - significantly more culpable than the other. The dangers of drunk driving are far greater, and more widely known, than the dangers of illegal scootering, whether to oneself or to others.
The driver was wilfully wicked, the scooterist merely foolish/annoying - which, much though I might dislike and even condemn them, is a perfectly natural state for most 16yos, one way or another.
However this tragic event will perhaps go some way to bringing home the dangers which scooterists present to themselves, as well as the dangers they present to others.

 

[captain nemo1701]

E scooters now (23/7) about to be debated on Jeremy Vine R2.

 

[DCLane]

Another one this morning; wrong side of the road weaving and another near collision.

All three incidents in the last 24 hours have involved under 16's and this morning's appeared to be on a commute to school.

 

[Blue Hills]

A death in twickenham

https://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/19462172.man-dies-e-scooter-crash-twickenham/

I stress i know nothing about the circumstances but an earlier report said no other vehicle was involved.

 

[classic33]

For the same reason perhaps? Car drivers demonise cyclists because they fear that cycling is threatening motoring. Cyclists see the rapid uptake of e scooters and have the same anxiety.

The difference, for me, is that pedal cycles are currently road legal. These scooters aren't.

A better argument may be to compare their users to those who use derestricted e-bikes on the roads, and often on the pavements.