Dulux Brilliant White Silk

[Ron-da-Valli]

I find the same problem with fence paint. Even the Cuprinol & Ronseal stuff is as weak as cat's p8ss. It would be easier to just pour it down the fence panels.

 

[SteCenturion]

Sorry, I'm in the wrong thread ...

Saw the title & thought it was a fetish site.

 

[swee'pea99]

Yeah, trade is the way to go. It just saves so much time!

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Is it true that oil-based paints for woodwork etc are being phased out, to be replaced with water-based ones? I hated the water-based stuff when I was decorating this house, you can't get a nice worked finish with it.

VOCs are being limited. These are the chemicals added to oil based paints to help them dry, kill bacteria etc. The main change was in 2010, after which you may notice gloss paints take much longer to dry. Water based is an alternative but the finish isn't as good with brush marks very visible. The best option is Aqua paint which is a hybrid. It meets legislation but goes on and finishes like oil based paint.

 

[MarkF]

Update:-

2 x 2.5L Dulux paint = 2 wasted days and £25 down the pan.
1 x 5L Morrisons value paint @ £7 = Jobs a good 'un.

Stirred into nice and sticky paint and covered well, that value paint would have only needed 1 day & 2 coats for a perfect finish. Going to have too much "white" so have bought some Crown "pebble" coloured, will report back later.............

 

[HertzvanRental]

VOCs are being limited. These are the chemicals added to oil based paints to help them dry, kill bacteria etc. The main change was in 2010, after which you may notice gloss paints take much longer to dry. Water based is an alternative but the finish isn't as good with brush marks very visible. The best option is Aqua paint which is a hybrid. It meets legislation but goes on and finishes like oil based paint.

In your expert opinion, which ranges offer the best VFM?

 

[subaqua]

https://www.duluxdecoratorcentre.co.uk

have had debateable results with Crown, johnstones, Valspar , homebase own, B&Q own .

never ever had any problem with Dulux from a decorator centre and its cheaper than B&Q

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

In your expert opinion, which ranges offer the best VFM?

It would be wrong for me to advocate one brand over another because obviously I'm biased but trade paint in general is better than retail.

 

[Nigel-YZ1]

A decorator told me that a certain large DIY chain has all the branded paints like Dulux custom made by them to a weaker formula to keep their cost down.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

That would be quite difficult logistically and risks identical packaging having different contents which could lead to Trading Standards issues.

Now if you said some companies produced paint to meet a price point ...

 

[colly]

https://www.duluxdecoratorcentre.co.uk

have had debateable results with Crown, johnstones, Valspar , homebase own, B&Q own .

never ever had any problem with Dulux from a decorator centre and its cheaper than B&Q

I made the mistake of using Valspar ( from B&Q ) when doing the kitchen recently.

It used to be a good paint. It is dreadful.

 

[Hill Wimp]

I have just done the downstairs loo in Dulux Silk.

Utter poop even after 3 coats.

I will now buy trade paint and re do it

 

[screenman]

I am not a decorater by trade, but I do most rooms in the house once a year 2 years at most, I have used trade for as long as I can remember. Crown for gloss and Dulux or Gliddens for emulsion. I have had a few idea's of trying Armstead Trade, your thoughts please swl.

 

[MarkF]

I have just done the downstairs loo in Dulux Silk.

Utter poop even after 3 coats.

I will now buy trade paint and re do it

I feel your pain................

The white is done (thanks to Morrisons value paint) and the Crown matt went on fine. Second coat of Crown tomorrow then the ceiling, 4 days to paint a bedroom, what a farce.

 

[Tom B]

A decorator told me that a certain large DIY chain has all the branded paints like Dulux custom made by them to a weaker formula to keep their cost down.

Having working in dec coatings trade I can tell you this is nonsense. If you get the same product with the same product code it will be the same. if you buy the retail product from B&Q or bill and bobs paint shop it'll be the same.

The trouble is that retail sectors and trade sectors often want different things. A retail customer wants a paint with high opacity, lots of thickener (in general the diy crowd think the thicker the paint the better quality) and a pleasant product to use/clean/live with. Generally the less coats the better, and DIY customers will live with a slightly poorer resultant finish.

Trade are happier and more able to deal with with a less viscus paint, building thin coats, more thin coats in general is better in terms of durability and finish than one thick coat applied with a butter knife! And lets face it your average deccy is happy to spend a bit of time adding coats. You rarely get away with one coat even of one-coat products.

Now where it gets complicated is that of you rock up at B&Q and buy a gallon of willow green, you will get willow green in the ABC123 retail spec, if you go to a dulux trade centre and buy a tin of dulux trade XYZ123 spec in Willow Green, the product may be of a different consistency, but the colour may be broadly the same. If you get them to mix it up for you it will be different again.

Now thickness can get exciting too, most modern paints are thixotropic, that is to say if you mix them the get thinner and then thicken again as they stand.... This is most apparent with Non-Drip gloss. That is also why if you get a mixed paint it is really watery when coming off the shaker. On cold days/with a cold product, or with stubbon (or old) bases an experienced operator will shake the base, then add the tint, then shake again. An un-tinted base will have limited opacity (coverage) and will likely not cure properly (if an oil base) because the hardener is in the tint.

In emulsion, as the OP posted about a problem that seems to be a little more prevalent now is that bacteria get into the paint and live off/feed on the organic thickener component this leaves you with a milky mess that quite often has a rotten egg smell. Ive noticed this occur with entire batches coming off a delivery truck from the factory (rare) or individual tins. It quite often happens with part used cans. Paint including oil based can be frost damaged, this usually manefests as the hardener dropping to the bottom of the can and forming a sticky sludge you can't easily re incorporate and in the case of oils leaves a product that stays tacky or refuses to oxidise for weeks! Frost can also affect thickeners and usually leaves a paint that looks curdled or like scrambled eggs.


With PBWs manufacturers and Brands will often do many many many formulations with all sorts of different names. With PBW in general, be lead by weight, bit that gives it its whiteness and opacity is heavy. One leading manufacturer when i was involved produced 4 retail PBWs all with the Brandname and a slightly different product name....

Kings One Coat White 2.5L + 5L
Kings PBW Emulsion 2.5L, 5L + 10L
Kings PBW Trade Emulsion 5L, 10L 15L
Kings PBW Super Value Emulsion 3L + 6L (priced at the same price say the trade to give the appearance of it being the same product but an extra fill can)

This can catch out in experienced buyers and staff.