vickster
Legendary Member
Except I have found I need a longer stem as the bars and brakes end up much closer than the hoods with STIsFor a flat bar bike, having the bars roughly level with the saddle is a good starting point, so that's what I would aim for.
In terms of reach, shorter stems give more direct steering.
I've never tried it, but I suspect flat bars with a long, flat stem like the pro roadies use wouldn't work very well.