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Drago
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Driving Bans
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MontyVeda
a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll
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- Lancaster... the little city.
Maybe the third time someone is given a driving ban, then it should be a lifetime ban... three strikes and you're out.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
I don't remember "two wrongs make a right" in the eighth edition.
Pale Rider
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The comparison with dirty docs and dodgy teachers is flawed.
Most bans are for a set length of time with the offender often being able to apply for reinstatement after a couple of years.
I agree many driving disqualifications are too short, but for the more serious offences the driver has to pass an extended driving test before they can drive after the ban period expires.
That test is not easy, which is one of the reasons we see multiple offending disqualified offenders who, having lost their licence after their first offence, never get another one.
Most bans are for a set length of time with the offender often being able to apply for reinstatement after a couple of years.
I agree many driving disqualifications are too short, but for the more serious offences the driver has to pass an extended driving test before they can drive after the ban period expires.
That test is not easy, which is one of the reasons we see multiple offending disqualified offenders who, having lost their licence after their first offence, never get another one.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
Another thing to bear in mind is they many DQd drivers will drive anyway.
You could speculate on what unintended consequences might come from much harder bans. Could be that people who would sit out a timed ban could just ignore an indefinite one. (Maybe ... That's the thing about unexpected outcomes... You don't expect them)
You could speculate on what unintended consequences might come from much harder bans. Could be that people who would sit out a timed ban could just ignore an indefinite one. (Maybe ... That's the thing about unexpected outcomes... You don't expect them)
lazybloke
Priest of the cult of Chris Rea
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An instant £1000 fine, which gets paid to whoever dobs in the DQ'd driver. That would boost detection rates.
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Drago
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I think disqual drivers should automatically be imprisoned and have the car they were driving crushed.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
I'm surprised you'd let them out of the car before crushing it. Who are you and how did you get Drago's login?
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
The ban should be linked to the account ID of the app they have to use to unlock the car. Oh, wait, that's e-scooters that we treat more harshly than cars because they're clearly more deadly! 😖
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Drago
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To be fair the suitability or otherwise of escooters for use in public is a bit beyond the intended scope of this one, but if you want to start your own thread and poll...
lazybloke
Priest of the cult of Chris Rea
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Pale Rider
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The number of flippant responses to this thread indicate that, even on a cycling forum, actions with serious consequences for the victim are quietly tolerated because they are done by a criminal using a car.
The sentence in the OP is too lenient, which is another indication that we are all so in love with motoring as to skew our perception of right and wrong.
I reckon there needs to be a huge shift in public perception before much will change.
The sentence in the OP is too lenient, which is another indication that we are all so in love with motoring as to skew our perception of right and wrong.
I reckon there needs to be a huge shift in public perception before much will change.
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Drago
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Sitrep. We're well into the vote and it's 10 to 6 in favour of making any ban a lifetime one.
Interesting that not one of those in favour of reinstating licences has explained why it would be OK for car drivers, but not for doctors, train drivers, pilots, shotgun users, etc, others in a position to cause danger, or why they think drivers should be a special case over them. I suspect @Pale Rider 's second paragraph above explains this phenomenon.
Interesting that not one of those in favour of reinstating licences has explained why it would be OK for car drivers, but not for doctors, train drivers, pilots, shotgun users, etc, others in a position to cause danger, or why they think drivers should be a special case over them. I suspect @Pale Rider 's second paragraph above explains this phenomenon.
Alex321
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I don't think there is the slightest chance of enough shift in public perception for any government to even consider such a draconian change to the law.
Not sure what sentence you are talking of, since there wasn't a case specified in the OP, and no sentence.
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
Ah, my mistake, I was thinking of the sentence in the drunk 4x4 driver thread.
I agree lifetime bans are not on the cards, but things are moving in the right direction, albeit slowly.
I'm old enough to have covered one of the earliest death by dangerous cases around 2000.
Previously, killing someone on the road was pretty much a free hit.
Since then we've had other new offences such as death by careless, causing serious injury by dangerous, and other enhanced offences relating to the condition of the driver.
Twenty odd years is about a generation, which in terms of the law is quite rapid progress.
It's a reasonable expectation that general attitudes will continue to move in what most of would say is the right direction.
